TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

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TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Selveem » Wed May 11, 2011 9:11 pm

Calling upon all players to check what FEATS have no trainers.

Feel free to post below to indicate the following information:
- class/race/alignment
- skills for which you did not find teachers

Notes:
  • This is only about FEATS, not about spells or skills or whatever. There will be other thread for other categories of "things you can learn".
  • The class/race/alignment information is interesting because a skill might have a trainer that drow can reach but no trainer for surface dweller (or vice versa, most likely).
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Selveem » Thu May 12, 2011 1:20 am

I will post another with all the weapon focus, greater weapon focus, weapon specialization, and greater weapon specializations I have not been able to find.

Haven't found any trainers that train on any fighters of mine:

Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Heavy Armor Optimisation
Greater Heavy Armor Optimisation
Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
Greater Two-Weapon Fighting
Shield Ward
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Duranamir » Thu May 12, 2011 8:47 am

For Drow warriors i can not find any of the following, and i really think they should be available, the basic ones in Menzo itself and the advanced ones in one of the warrior guilds in Ched Nasad (Seventh Sceptre, i think)

Two Weapon Fighting
Two Weapon Defense (used to be a trainer but not there anymore)
Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Improved Two-Weapon Fighting

Can not find any of the below, either.

Heavy Armor Optimisation
Greater Heavy Armor Optimisation
shield specialisation
Shield Ward

There maybe others, like some of the missile weapon feats, but i have not really looked for those yet.

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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Selveem » Thu May 12, 2011 8:49 am

Oh, I just checked feats list. Greater Heavy Optimisation seems to have been removed from the game.. But still haven't found any trainers for regular Heavy Armor Optimisation.
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Zorinar » Fri May 13, 2011 3:35 am

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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Selveem » Wed May 18, 2011 8:47 am

Alright, I went through my rather exhaustive logs; there are only three Weapon Specialization trainers in the game I've found. Of those three, one only trains if you meet certain stat requirements that are not required by the feat (without giving too much away) and one is in a relatively evil location.
Weapon Spec Feats not found at all wrote:bows
brawling
chains
clubs
crossbows
great chains
lines
long axes
long spikes
mounted polearms
polearms
rope weapons
short axes
short blades
short spikes
slings
staves
thrown projectiles
whips
Weapon Spec found only in Evil location wrote:thrusting
Weapon Spec found only for those with special stat requirement wrote:great blades
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Selveem » Wed May 18, 2011 8:52 am

Greater Weapon Specialization is missing for all the following weapon categories:

bows
brawling
chains
clubs
crossbows
double-edged blades
lines
long axes
long spikes
mounted polearms
polearms
rope weapons
short axes
short blades
short spikes
single-edged blades
slings
staves
thrown projectiles
thrusting blades
whips
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Selveem » Wed May 18, 2011 9:22 am

I went through my logs yet again for Greater Weapon Focus trainers. Here are my findings:
Is not found at all for the following weapon groups wrote:bows
brawling
chains
clubs
crossbows
great chains
lines
long axes
long spikes
mounted polearms
polearms
short axes
short blades
short spikes
slings
staves
thrown projectiles
thrusting blades
whips
Can be found, but only in one location with specific stat requirement wrote:single-edged blades
great blades
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Orplar » Thu May 19, 2011 3:03 am

There is a trainer for greater weapon focus bows in game, but it is in an area that is restricted based on racial requirements.
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Selveem » Thu May 19, 2011 6:51 am

So..largely missing from the game, pretty much? ;P
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Xryon » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:56 pm

Adding on to this a bit late.. Two-weapon feats are all still missing from those of us down in the Underdark. There's a perfect place for them to go into, too -coughs-

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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Selveem » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:32 am

Xryon wrote:Adding on to this a bit late.. Two-weapon feats are all still missing from those of us down in the Underdark. There's a perfect place for them to go into, too -coughs-
I hear those are now in the game, but not available for non-Drow. Is this the case? If so are we going to have them available in a neutral area some time soon?

Can I get an update, too, on the ones that've been listed that are no longer outstanding so the thread can be updated?
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Harroghty » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:39 pm

It is really a pretty onerous process to go through and search for these because it involves searching for the weapon type, then searching for the feat, and then matching the two lists (which can be very long). Sufficed to say, the majority of these are available in game now (yes, even in so-called neutral areas) with a couple of the two-weapon feats needing a little more availability on the surface.
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Selveem » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:08 am

Harroghty wrote:It is really a pretty onerous process to go through and search for these because it involves searching for the weapon type, then searching for the feat, and then matching the two lists (which can be very long). Sufficed to say, the majority of these are available in game now (yes, even in so-called neutral areas) with a couple of the two-weapon feats needing a little more availability on the surface.
Thanks Harroghty. I wasn't trying to have the staff do extra work because I know it's a real pain to ask a single person to do it. The intent was for the players to contribute so the staff didn't have to work as hard.

I'm glad to hear these are mostly put in the game. I've a few characters needing a few of each, but I am most eager to fiddle around with the two-weapon feats most of all. :D

Thanks again for the response and keep up all the good work. :)
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Harroghty » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:20 pm

Althasizor did a pretty thorough check up on the test port for available trainers and I found that there are only three weapon types with sufficient coverage (surface and Underdark, all races) out of 23 possible weapon types when I followed up. I am going through and adding coverage for these, but it's not as bad as it sounds because included in the number that I deem without sufficient coverage there are weapon types which are trained in places like on the streets of Waterdeep (i.e. somewhere very accessible for the majority of PCs).
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Selveem » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:21 am

Harroghty wrote:Althasizor did a pretty thorough check up on the test port for available trainers and I found that there are only three weapon types with sufficient coverage (surface and Underdark, all races) out of 23 possible weapon types when I followed up. I am going through and adding coverage for these, but it's not as bad as it sounds because included in the number that I deem without sufficient coverage there are weapon types which are trained in places like on the streets of Waterdeep (i.e. somewhere very accessible for the majority of PCs).
That's a pretty sizable project for both of you. I can't imagine how frustrating it might have been to sift through all that and make useful information out of it. I know the implementation will also be quite a project, too, so thank you all very much!

Just out of curiosity, will that only include weapon focus and specialization or will it also include greater weapon specialization? Any chance I can coerce you guys into including shield ward and the two-weapon feats made available, too? :twisted:
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Harroghty » Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:58 pm

The Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization feats are covered adequately in the game. More than adequately. There are a couple of places where one can train these with any weapon.

As to the rest of your requests... patience, grasshopper. I have a lot of irons in the fire and so try to make a little progress on a couple of fronts every day, but it's rare that I have the time to run something completely to ground in one day.
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Trillarel » Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:51 am

Well, as a drow, I see lots of single-edged and thrusting blades trainers, but haven't seen one for crossbow yet, and I'd love to try ranged combat.

/BTW I read 'help shoot' and still don't understand much/

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Post by Mele » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:01 pm

Seven crossbow trainers in drow areas. More than half of those extremely and easily accessible.
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Re: TRAINERS - MISSING FEATS

Post by Selveem » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:54 pm

Trillarel wrote:Well, as a drow, I see lots of single-edged and thrusting blades trainers, but haven't seen one for crossbow yet, and I'd love to try ranged combat.
Trillarel, this list is for missing feats. Skills should be a completely separate post. If you mean a feat that is missing, please list the feat you believe is not available.
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