Saving Memorized Spell Lists

Athon · Post by **Athon** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:02 am

When I was on my dwarf, I thought of this especially. For instance, if I want to be in the mines, then my spell list is going to contain a lot of refresh spells so I can keep at it more. So naturally, I'll memorize many spells of refresh. However, when battle comes, I would want to drastically change my memorized list to reflect what I will need in combat. The same could apply to other situations, such as a general 'around the city' list.

However, changing between the spells can be rather time consuming.

So I'd like to propose a simple system: spell lists. It will be very similar to the alias system used for commands. This will be a personal list that each spell caster will have. It will work similar to this:

For a refresh-heavy memorized list, one would simply type spell list save <name> or in this case, spell list save refresh.

For your combat memorized list, one would type spell list save combat. You can save it to any name you'd like.

To change between your saved lists, you would just type spell list load refresh. This would load the refresh-heavy set of spells into memorized list, erasing whatever you had there. However, if you do this, it will purge all of your current spells and you would have to regain their power once again.

To view your lists, type spell list. It could also be easier to reduce this down to sl.

Thoughts and criticisms are always welcomed - they provide the full development needed for successful ideas.

Thanks!
Sean

Algon · Post by **Algon** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:08 pm

No idea how hard that would be to do....but I really like the idea. Talk about saving some time

Zach · Post by **Zach** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:02 pm

when combat "happens" to come across while mining... you won't have time to 'memorise' them all after you put them in... you will need time to finish memorizing them... It is an IC process that takes time... not something as quick as "BAM" i just went and memorised the whole combat section and now am waiting to be able to cast... it takes time IC to read. flip and memorise them... to just be able to "cl load ref" would be to OOC..

VERY helpfull for saving time... but still... Not very IC

Athon · Post by **Athon** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:20 pm

I'm not talking about instantly changing it. As I said, you will still have to wait for all of your spells to prepare. This is useful when you are getting ready to head out and adventure - when you are preparing to do something.

Also, just as you were normally memorising spells, you would have to be sitting or meditating. Also, perhaps a short lag as you ICly memorise all the spells.

Zach · Post by **Zach** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:38 pm

exactly my point Athon. While you are 'prepairing' to do something... if you just have it LOAD and 'poof' all of them are memorised (not counting the prepairation of spells just the loading)..

now if you have a short lag as you would ICly memorising the spells... then deal.. it's a great idea and see no reason why not

other then code wise... maybe have it limited to memorising 2 slots or only 3 slots...

Elwin · Post by **Elwin** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:44 pm

After reading Athon's post. Another player and I discussed this idea, and here is what we came up with. I would say you could make it similar to the alias command, but of course with restrictions like meditating or resting needed, put in about a 5-10 sec lag on it, and limit it to about 3 different lists. Came up with 3 as most people I imagine would have an attack list, for when they might be alone and fighting, a support list for when they need to support a group, and a miscellaneous list for when they are simply sitting around or walking around the realms. Just my thoughts.

Balek · Post by **Balek** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:46 pm

Honestly Zach, I'm not sure how keeping things more difficult in the sense you are promoting would really help improve gameplay in any way. Yes, it's very marginally more in character to have to memorize each spell individually, but I fail to see how it promotes any valuable roleplay to be forced to do so. The system that Athon proposes is valuable to spellcasters and reduces the amount of excess typing that they have to do. The feature would eliminate a lot of OOC work that they have to do to prepare spells.

I really like this idea. I think it simplifies things for spellcasters and would be an excellent addition.

Rhytania · Post by **Rhytania** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:54 pm

Zach,
Do you sit there and RP memorizing each individual spell? I think not. Do you pull out each component, prepare it, and do all the incantations, somatics required for each spell? Propably not. you sit there, type mem spell wait for it to regen, and then poof you are able to cast. what we are talking about here is having premade lists much like i have now sitting beside my computer, breaking down all my level slots and what to put in them. This way it would just keep it readily avaialable on the mud. Keep in mind when you swicth your spell lists, its not like you switch and then bam you can cast. you still have to wait for all of them to regen which depending on how many spell slots you have can take anywhere from 20 - 30 min IRL while medditating.

Tavik · Post by **Tavik** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:11 pm

I love the idea Athon. I can't see any reason it would hinder RP at all. In fact, it would help eliminate some of the spam (so and so studies and memorizes a spell). If you have to completely change your list, this is going to cause a lot of spam. Not saying I don't like the echo, just pointing out that for what Athon is referring to, it would get old. Anyway, just posting my support. Great idea!

Amalia · Post by **Amalia** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:08 am

I have another argument in favor of spell lists: there's a difference between my character and me. My character has every reason to be very familiar with her spells and have a great memory for all the spells she'll need when she forsees any given situation coming up. I, on the other hand, have a separate life that requires most of my attention, and may well forget to memorize some spell I wanted when I have to change out my spells manually. This hasn't happened to me in FK, as I don't know all that many spells yet, but I've had plenty of tabletop games where I forgot to memorize a very useful spell that my character would have thought to prepare, because I was trying to pay attention to RP rather than paging through a bunch of spells to figure out which ones I want today.

Rhytania · Post by **Rhytania** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:28 am

Exactly Amalia,
Our characters have 18 - 20 wisdom, not us. I honestly cannot see any arguemant against this ooc or ic working. I am sure that a wizard in FK who has hundreds of spells at his disposal has a certain like for certain spells. I doubt he sits there and reads through 3 hundred tomes and manuals to find all his spells. No he simply puts them order in his main spell book and goes about his business adding or subtracting has needed.

Cret · Post by **Cret** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:26 am

alias sl spell list

alias minninglist forget all& mem 20 refresh& mem 3 heal& mem Kill cret

alias undeadlist forget all& mem 12.8 turn undead

etc etc...

Any more code needed?

Amalia · Post by **Amalia** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:58 am

The man makes an excellent point. I'm going to make me some spell lists

Athon · Post by **Athon** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:21 am

Cret, you also go to consider that my spell lists would contain feated spells as well as certain spells being in a different level in respect to their natural level. While you idea is possible, I think it would be more effective to have it save the list and just recall the list later. It also would reduce the spam.

Mask · Post by **Mask** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:18 pm

Athon,

That is possible by modifying Cret's aliases a little:
alias mininglist forget all & mem 20 5 refresh & mem 5 8 heal

ie, memorise 20 refreshes in level 5 slots, and 5 heals in level 8 slots.

Cret · Post by **Cret** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:51 pm

From what Ive seen, the total level of the spell + total level of combined feats = memed spell level. There fore.
(random spells, not actually looking at levels actually associated)

Jargon is a 4th level spell. You want to have it FeatXed and FeatYed.

FeatX is +2, FeatY is +1.

mem 1 7 Jargon.

Now. You can cast that spell, Jargon, with any feats totaling (but not exceeding) +3.

4 + 3 = 7.

mem 1 7 Jargon.

Now, suddenly you need to cast FeatY (+1), FeatZ (+1), and FeatKillCret (+1). Sense Jargon (4) was memed at level 7. You can do this.

That would alow the alias to work, correct?
And im not really sure.. But I know Zmud has something called macros, as does Gmud and several other clients. As long as its not triggered, i believe your fine... (could be wrong here.. but that should be posted in another topic)

As for spam.. Cant really help there. Im a who, inv, eq addict. And after an hour of iddling i have about 500+ lines filled with thoese 3 commands.

Athon · Post by **Athon** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:26 pm

The alias method would work to some extent but there is a cap to how long the alias can be, meaning you would need multiple aliases for the entire spell list. Plus, creating aliases like that can be difficult for quite a few people and I think they would shy away from it.

As for zMud macros, I guess that is possible, but once again, not everyone here uses zMud. It would, unfortunately, make it slightly less fair.

As for the spam, I'm talking about the spam to other people. If you were to go by the alias command, people would instantly see 15-20 lines of blue "Dudeman memorizes a spell." If you were to use one command, it would only be one line stating that "Dudeman rests and memorizes all of his spells" with a lag to compensate for it.

Lorion · Post by **Lorion** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:11 pm

I guess forget all and memorize heal and memorize refresh wouldn't be so time consuming to type. However, if you actually, like I think Dalvyn hoped, prepare for battle by memorising maybe 15 different spells(magic missile, fireball, vampiric touch, flame arrow, acid blast, whatever(I don't really know many of the new spells yet :p)) the amount of typing without using an alias would be rather large, and as Athon said, you might not be able to fit it all in one, or even two aliases.

Athon · Post by **Athon** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:52 am

I'm not trying to start another conversation about this topic, I was just wondering if there was any official wording on the siding of this topic: is the command under consideration or are we just asked to write out a series of aliases for it?

Mask · Post by **Mask** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:32 am

It's a nice idea, but I'm not planning on coding any time soon! Sorry, my list of 'stuff to do' is already too full!

Martin

Saving Memorized Spell Lists

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