two accounts with one computer

Leohand · Post by **Leohand** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:03 pm

If I share my computer with someone else, and they become interested in FK as well, would it be feasable for two different people to have two seperate accounts from the same IP address? I recently bought a brand new computer, because the old one gave up the goat, but we are still planning to rebuild it, then we'll have two computers, but for right now I'll be sharing mine with one other. Anyway, before I showed him FK, I wanted to make sure it would not be against the rules and get one or both of us in trouble. Thank you.

Mele · Post by **Mele** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:20 pm

Either way you would share the same IP, no matter how many computers. In this case you need to send the immortal staff an email. Explaining the situation in which two players live together, and the names of their accounts. This registers you as same IP players, not multiplayers.

Leohand · Post by **Leohand** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:35 pm

Mele wrote:you need to send the immortal staff an email.

Well, I just wanted to make sure that I obeyed all the rules, you know. He's been trying other MUD's, but he's kept off FK so far because I have an acount here and wasn't sure what the process would be like. Now, he may or may not have the patience for this rp, but before I give him the chance, I want to be certain I won't be thought of as having two acounts. I only need one.

Raona · Post by **Raona** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:26 pm

Please see the helpfile entitled "Players logging in from the same IP,"
http://www.gallwey.com/fk/help.php?keyw ... earch=true

It's likely not a problem, provided that you inform the staff FIRST, and they give you the OK. You're doing the right thing by asking, and explaining the situation; you just need to do the same thing in an email, sent to
fkcomplaints@lists.skynet.ie

Mele · Post by **Mele** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:50 am

I did not claim you were not obeying the rules. I only told you what to do to follow the rules. :)

This isn't something that should be emailed to complaints, if that other thread says complaints I'm fairly certain it's wrong. You're not complaining about something, you're registering same IP's.

fkapplications@lists.skynet.ie

Oghma · Post by **Oghma** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:16 am

Actually, if you want to alert the administrators about two accounts using the same ip then you have to send the account information to the complaints email. If they get sent to applications they will just get forwarded to the complaint email either way.

Tavik · Post by **Tavik** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:26 pm

Just a note on the email being required to be sent in before two players start playing from the same IP: Can we have a bit of leniency here? Ideally, yes, people should know about this policy and let the admins know of the situation so no discrepancies arise. However, most new players aren't going to know to find that particular helpfile and will thus be unaware of the policy. I honestly think we're going to scare new players off if they start playing, love it, get their sibling into it and then are both helled for not sending in an email they didn't know they had to send in.

Oghma · Post by **Oghma** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:34 pm

most players will become aware of the policy as soon as they learn about help multiplay through the new player lessons. If they have doubts or concerns they can always ask on the ask channel and a player council volunteer will steer them to the proper helpfiles.

Raona · Post by **Raona** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:36 pm

Tavik wrote:Just a note on the email being required to be sent in before two players start playing from the same IP: Can we have a bit of leniency here? Ideally, yes, people should know about this policy and let the admins know of the situation so no discrepancies arise. However, most new players aren't going to know to find that particular helpfile and will thus be unaware of the policy. I honestly think we're going to scare new players off if they start playing, love it, get their sibling into it and then are both helled for not sending in an email they didn't know they had to send in.

I can't speak authoritatively, but I'm quite confident that if new players do this without first seeking permission, the Imms will contact them and ask them what's up. So long as they are forthright, and the situation can be verified, they won't be given much grief. The main advantage to asking in advance is that it drastically lowers the concerns on the part of the staff that what's going on is not some sort of verboten multi-account hanky-panky on the part of a single person. If either of the accounts involved have strikes, or a history of flaunting the rules, the suspicion that they may be trying to evade the consequences of their past by simply establishing a new account would be heightened, and the utility of their seeking permission in advance would be amplified.

Leohand · Post by **Leohand** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:30 am

I'd just add that I didn't know, until I was just told here, that two different computers on the same DSL would register the same number, or whatever they said. I could have waited for the other comp to be fixed, and set him up on that, and it would have never occured to me that the staff would see it as only one computer address. And so I was fortunate to have asked, eh? So if there are two computers in one house, networked together, one might honestly think that they being different computers, would have different addresses. I sure did. Anyway, after reading recent posts, I thought it a good idea to bring up this possible misunderstanding.

Tavik · Post by **Tavik** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:23 pm

To clarify, I wasn't trying to give people an out. My response was a result of my own experiences with this very same situation. My brother and I both play from the same IP, but at the time we started I didn't realize that multiple computers running through a router still had the same IP, was and was therefore blissfully unaware that we were violating any rules. After being on for about a week, an invisible voiced asked me OOC "Would you care to explain how it is that you have two characters (accounts hadn't been implemented yet) logged from the same IP address?" Now, I still don't know who confronted me about it or if they are even still here, but they came across as a bit harsh and hostile and I just about quit right then, and I still don't think the situation was handled very well.

Normally, I wouldn't derail a post like this, but Raona's post seemed to indicate that there would be little tolerance for those multiple players playing through a single IP if they did so without first sending in an email. Maybe I read too much into that or my own experiences are making me imagine a tone that isn't there, and if so, I apologize Raona. This was just one of those things I couldn't keep my mouth shut about.

Raona · Post by **Raona** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:47 am

Tavik wrote:To clarify, I wasn't trying to give people an out. My response was a result of my own experiences with this very same situation. My brother and I both play from the same IP, but at the time we started I didn't realize that multiple computers running through a router still had the same IP, was and was therefore blissfully unaware that we were violating any rules. After being on for about a week, an invisible voiced asked me OOC "Would you care to explain how it is that you have two characters (accounts hadn't been implemented yet) logged from the same IP address?" Now, I still don't know who confronted me about it or if they are even still here, but they came across as a bit harsh and hostile and I just about quit right then, and I still don't think the situation was handled very well.

Normally, I wouldn't derail a post like this, but Raona's post seemed to indicate that there would be little tolerance for those multiple players playing through a single IP if they did so without first sending in an email. Maybe I read too much into that or my own experiences are making me imagine a tone that isn't there, and if so, I apologize Raona. This was just one of those things I couldn't keep my mouth shut about.

Your reply was perfectly on-topic, and appreciated, Tavik. I think it confirms my suspicions, namely, that doing this without asking first is not a death-knell, provided it's an honest mistake - but the Imms will investigate, and you had best be honest with them right off the bat. I would hope any good player would do that in any case. ...and Tavik - I'm glad you stuck around!

I've added an explicit statement to the Multiple IP helpfile saying that what constitutes this is when two players share the same internet service provider account. Hopefully that clarifies where this applies, a bit. But I think we all understand that, especially brand-new players, can bumble into this situation unaware.