Discern/Detect Invis

[Blug]

I have a thief, and I've noticed something odd about the way people act around him while hidden.

It's come to my attention that while hidden you have to remain absolutely actionless in order for someone not to cast detect hidden or use discern. Now, this is my beef with this, when just LOOKING at another character, the people automatically think "uh oh, discern!" and use the skill or the spell. Now, I don't know about YOU but my eyes don't make aloud rustling when they move around in my head, and if I'm hiding, trying not to be noticed, I'm going to move ever so slowly anyways. So the next time you see, "Someone looks at you." I ask that you think before you act and instead of just going off the handle and using discern/detect hidden, you at least put some RP into it and act like you can feel the eyes, giving the person a chance to smote out looking away before you can become too hostile, or anything to that nature. I'm tired of being so easily found.

[Mele]

Don't hide in MS, or in groups of large people and your problem will be solved. One of my biggest pet peeves is people who hide in large groups, or places that are just illogical. IE: Market Square, fields of truimph, the bank, etc. If you're in a group of large people, you are bound to be seen.

Just my thoughts.

Danica

[Lathander]

This is my opinion and not that of the imms as a whole (it might be, I haven't asked). I saw your post Mele and respectfully disagree. I would think that MS with a lot of people around would be an ideal spot for a thief to "hide." It might not be in the shadows, but could be behind a barrel or just the skill of blending in among the merchants unnoticed by adventurers.

[Isaldur]

The best place to hide is right in plain sight. What gets me is how when one person who doesn't even really have a reason to use Discern does.. and then everyone else that has it does the same. When you see "someone" doing anything aside from talking or doing something that makes noise it doesn't mean it's good RP to know someone is there.

[Rhelian]

I'd agree with Lathander here. In a small room with just you and another person, it's harder to hide. In a busy bustling place like Market Square with huge crowds of people, it'd be fairly easy to hide.

However to LOOK at a person is a fairly strong examination, at least that's what I RP it as. Not a casual glance but an attention directed mainly at one person for a short period of time - and a lot of these highly seasoned adventurers would be able to pick up on that, from times spent guarding caravans and feeling the eyes of bandits in the rocky passes overhead, for example.

Otherwise, people might just be paranoid and spontaneously decide to be hyper-vigilant to guard their recently aquired bag of loot from the numerous theives that are in the population of Waterdeep, and would deffinately visit the busy, bustling and crowded Market Square to slit open a few beltpouches or keep an eye out for an out-of-towner or a tired adventurer.

If you don't want to be so easily found then don't perform actions you know will give people a hint you are there. Your right to use the hide skill is equal to another's right to use their discern skill.

[Stayne]

However to LOOK at a person is a fairly strong examination, at least that's what I RP it as. Not a casual glance but an attention directed mainly at one person for a short period of time - and a lot of these highly seasoned adventurers would be able to pick up on that, from times spent guarding caravans and feeling the eyes of bandits in the rocky passes overhead, for example.

While I agree with the hiding in a public place is more likely to be successful (or at least easier) I disagree completely with what you have said above Rhelian. As a an evil priest of lies, deception and illusions, I think nothing to stand motionless for hours under an invisibility spell (often in said public places) watching people. I can look over people and asess them quickly as they walk by and I would think it highly strange that *every* char uses their dsicern skill, or even casts true sight if they are able, when all I do is look.

While I do give credence to a sixth sense, usually there is more of a give away to set it off (bandits in hills are oft in motion, even though you can't see it. There presence has already distrubed wildlife and it may be 'quieter' etc.). I think more the problem is as I said *every* char uses that skill or spell, even if you don't look at them, and they are busy in a spereate conversation not with the person you looked at. Its another one of those, just because you can - doesn't mean you should situation.

My thoughts
-Stayne

[Blug]

Thank you, these are all good points, but I tend to agree with Stayne and Isaldur almost entirely here. *odd, huh?* the best place to hide is right in the middle of EVERYONE, where it's more likely their attention will be turned toward conversation and whatnot. Now yeah, you might be spotted by one or two of the people, but really, it would be illogical to use the discern ability or true sight when one person, whom you aren't even talking with, goes to discern or cast true sight. Plus, how do you know they're using discern? The echo for that is "heightens their senses to discern the unseen." but how do YOU know that their senses are peaking, especially if you're not talking to them or closely scrutinizing their every move? I'm saying that almost everyone goes overboard with the discern and true sight abilities, and yeah, you have the right to use them, but using them in an RP context would be the question, right?