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Elf Death
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:04 pm
by Lerytha
Yes, I know this could have been put in the Elves section, but I wasn't sure where exactly to put it, and this seemed just as good a place as any.
Right, on with the question.
Elves, when they die, go to Arvandor. Humans, when they die, go to the Fugue Plain and are sorted - those with faith and a chosen god are kept with that god forever...
By the way, feel free to correct me if I am wrong on either of those two counts...
So. What about an elf who has a human god?
Does that elf go to Arvandor with the rest of the elves, or do they stay with their chosen deity?
I would be interested to hear what other people think and/or know.
Thanks!
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:49 pm
by Kregor
I want to expand a little on that question, not to trump the above question, because that bears questioning also, but my question on elves and death has to do with resurrection after death.
Because elves pass on to Arvandor upon their death, which is a desired end for all (at least most) elves, particularly those still with their faith placed in the Seldarine or the Old Ways of the elves, most elves would not take kindly to being raised, the way I see it.
Myth-drannor.net has this one passage that kind of puts it into a nutshell:
The idea of disturbing elves after they have passed on to Arvandor is anathema to elves. Resurrection goes against all their strongly held beliefs, as does calling up the spirits of the dead.
Obviously this is balanced somewhere in the house rules, and in the roleplay of peoples PCs.... nobody wants to spend a lot of time on a char and then lose them because of one small twist of fate, but I think this kind of goes down the same path as a previous string regarding those who decide to serve Kelemvor. I would like to see people's discussion on this as well as whether elves of human dieties go to Arvandor or the plane of their Lord.
Perhaps Andreas can give us a treatise on Tel'Quessir and death.
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:34 pm
by Talamar
Personally, I would assume that an elf that has devoted themself so wholly to a Human deity, would then pass on to the Realm of their Deity. It really would take quite a bit of devotion, for an elf to pass on the worship of the Seldarine, and follow the beliefs and tenants of another God, so much so that this would impact their afterlife.
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:47 pm
by Kirkus
Acording to my sources (ie: the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting) Arvandor is actually just the name of the realm that the Seldarine inhibit. So as I see it elves would go through the exact same process that everyone else would go through. That means they die, and their souls go to the fugal plan and are met by an agent of the Seldarine and are taken to Arvandor.
As for elves following a human diety this is how I see it. For the most part elves all follow the Seldarine. The average elf would pray to every god in the pantheon, so when they die they go to Arvandor and all is good. Now if that same elf were to choose to follow some human say Chauntea, they would still pray to the Seldarine. And when they die I think they might still go to Arvandor and if Chauntea needed that elf's spirit for some reason an agent of Chauntea would go and retrieve it. Now that works for me if the human god is good or neutral and dosn't confilct with the Seldarine. But if an elf were to abandon the Seldarine and follow a human god of evil that goes against the elven gods teachings, shuch as Talos
Malar or Bane, that spirit would most likely not be given the choice of resting in Arvandor, nor would the spirit want to.
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:23 am
by Gwain
I'm no authority on elves (unless their tolkeinese
) But I would think that elves dedicated to the Seldarine will go to Arvandor when they pass from this world, if they choose to die. The rest would go to their respective dieties of other patheons. What eludes me is what happens to the False and faithless. Because elves are magical creatures wrought the way they were from the start are they ever truly without faith and belief in a patheon? and if they betray their gods do they end up like the rest of the false?
Another thing to take into account is the constant shifting of patheons eventually it might well be that every race will answer to a singular patheon and everything will change...of course that's an assumption and not fact. Of course there are varying things to consider like what happens to elves if Ityak-Ortheel, the Elf-Eater gets them and whatnot. I believe all in all its where one's alliegences lie that matters most.
Here's a link about Ityak-Ortheel, the Elf-Eater, just in case the reference seems obscure.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=books/fr/elderevil