Still Spell feat
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Mingus
Still Spell feat
Do you still need free hand with the sill spell feet? I thought having it negated the use of gestures? Or is the feat only useable by mages casters and not priest?
The feat removes the need for a somatic component of a spell (the gestures). It does not remove the need for a material component and for spells which require a material component you must have one free hand in order to get the item from the spellpouch, cast the spell and return the component. See also the thread on spellpouches.
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Mingus
Ensure the feat is active when attempting to cast:
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Rhelian
Rather than start a new thread - I thought this question might be best here. I was involved in a excellent Roleplay recently where there was some manipulation of charecters going on. My Charecter has both the still spell and silent spell feats and was casting some spells that required "No material components" The problem is. Everyone's spellcraft kicked in and shows "You think<persons name> is casting <spell name>"
If my spells has no materials and no movements and no sounds, how did they know it was me! Does this not defeat the idea of these feats?
It certainly made the roleplay much harder in this regard.
Just a thought
S
If my spells has no materials and no movements and no sounds, how did they know it was me! Does this not defeat the idea of these feats?
It certainly made the roleplay much harder in this regard.
Just a thought
S
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Tazmin
I asked this on another thread and the answer I got is that magic classes/races are atuned to the weave and can feel the energy flow or gather. As -all- magic comes from the weave a wizard could detect a priest gathering the spell energy. Of course a priest could sense the same in a wizard casting a spell, as they are magical as well. A fighter would not sense it, nor would a thief. A bard might, I am uncertain.
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Mingus
Really?? I thought priestly spells were of a divine nature and seperate from the weave.
Also Shar now has a seperate part of the weave that mystra has, would a shadow mage still be detected by a regular wizard?(silenced still and no component)
As well, Stayne with out revealing the name, was that spell a common one or one more obscure than normal? ie Detect Magic vs power word kill. Thusly if it was a spell of simple nature then I would think that detection could be scene by a gm but not from whom it was cast. So to echo instead “You think <spell name> was cast”. And no detection at all if the spell is obscure and/or no that has GMed it is around.
Also Shar now has a seperate part of the weave that mystra has, would a shadow mage still be detected by a regular wizard?(silenced still and no component)
As well, Stayne with out revealing the name, was that spell a common one or one more obscure than normal? ie Detect Magic vs power word kill. Thusly if it was a spell of simple nature then I would think that detection could be scene by a gm but not from whom it was cast. So to echo instead “You think <spell name> was cast”. And no detection at all if the spell is obscure and/or no that has GMed it is around.
To be honest - I do not mind if someone tied to the weave can sense the magical energies and thus guess the spell type coming. My problem with it is that it said :
You sense <PERSONS NAME>
Though I had both still and silent spell, and they were blinded, and I was invis, they still got an echo that told them my charecters name. If they just got the spell echo, thats fine, though I am not sure a thief would be able guess my spells blinded, especially while I have those feats active??
For the Shadow Weave Mingus, you are most likely correct. No-one gains access to the weave without Shars knowledge, so to even udnerstand someones use of it, you would have needed to delve enough to attract her attention. You raise a good point there, and perhaps the skill spellcraft should be modified (if it is not already) so that you cannot tell what shadow weave spell is being cast unless you have access to it yourself.
As for priests spells, while they are granted by the diety in question, the spell comes from and through the weave. This has always caused a quandry for me though. The simple reason is, if Mystra can deny anyone access to the weave, why does she not deny her anemies access. What use are priests wh0o can't draw spells. If she removed the weave from Cyricist, I am sure they would actively seek here more, but since they are already in a cold war scenario, the advantage would easily be hers. Though I could be mistaken here, as I always though that she was more the administrator of the weave, that she tends to magic and keeps it a stable force, and that though she could deny a mortal access, another diety could just re-grant it?? Can anyone clear that one up for me please?
Thanks
Stayne
You sense <PERSONS NAME>
Though I had both still and silent spell, and they were blinded, and I was invis, they still got an echo that told them my charecters name. If they just got the spell echo, thats fine, though I am not sure a thief would be able guess my spells blinded, especially while I have those feats active??
For the Shadow Weave Mingus, you are most likely correct. No-one gains access to the weave without Shars knowledge, so to even udnerstand someones use of it, you would have needed to delve enough to attract her attention. You raise a good point there, and perhaps the skill spellcraft should be modified (if it is not already) so that you cannot tell what shadow weave spell is being cast unless you have access to it yourself.
As for priests spells, while they are granted by the diety in question, the spell comes from and through the weave. This has always caused a quandry for me though. The simple reason is, if Mystra can deny anyone access to the weave, why does she not deny her anemies access. What use are priests wh0o can't draw spells. If she removed the weave from Cyricist, I am sure they would actively seek here more, but since they are already in a cold war scenario, the advantage would easily be hers. Though I could be mistaken here, as I always though that she was more the administrator of the weave, that she tends to magic and keeps it a stable force, and that though she could deny a mortal access, another diety could just re-grant it?? Can anyone clear that one up for me please?
Thanks
Stayne
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Tazmin
In Faiths and Avatars I believe it says that Mystra can deny anyone access to the weave. The only thing I think immune to this is Ao and the creator being. Thus if she denys say a Cyric cleric access to the weave, Cyric could not give them spells, consider it like a blocked river. She can, in theory deny access to the weave to any power. She could turn of Cyrics spells I guess if he got to out of hand. 
Though Mystra would be more concerned with MISUSE of magic, not simply good or evil use of it. Of course we could always ask Mystra herself..
Though Mystra would be more concerned with MISUSE of magic, not simply good or evil use of it. Of course we could always ask Mystra herself..Mystra can deny anyone access to her weave is correct, though this is what Andreas passed on to me, I figured it best be posted here.
"It's in one of the novels I think on why Mystra can't deny magic to Cyric and Cyricists
The Crucible of Prince of Lies
Basically... if she did that, then other gods could deny certain things... and imagine if no one could learn by Oghmans... and no one but Tyrrans would receive justice... has to be a balance
She actually did for a little while, but the rest of the Pantheon rallied against her" - quoting Andreas here
Aparently the book goes more into depth as to why she won't and/or the result of such actions by her. But it seems fairly obvious. While she may be right in denying a single person for a valid reason, to start denying whole sections of people will cause her too many problems
NB: Stayne thinks very highly of Mystra and would never call her names to her face
Stayne
"It's in one of the novels I think on why Mystra can't deny magic to Cyric and Cyricists
The Crucible of Prince of Lies
Basically... if she did that, then other gods could deny certain things... and imagine if no one could learn by Oghmans... and no one but Tyrrans would receive justice... has to be a balance
She actually did for a little while, but the rest of the Pantheon rallied against her" - quoting Andreas here
Aparently the book goes more into depth as to why she won't and/or the result of such actions by her. But it seems fairly obvious. While she may be right in denying a single person for a valid reason, to start denying whole sections of people will cause her too many problems
NB: Stayne thinks very highly of Mystra and would never call her names to her face
Stayne
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Rhelian
Mystra can cut off anyone from the Weave if she wants too. However, she IS the Weave, so by cutting everyone off, she would cause herself to cease to exist. Logic would follow that if she were to cut off a large ammount of users, she would deplete her own power and essence. While she is physically able to cut off a God or a God's group of followers, she should not, and does not - see the above book for details.
Shadowweave users' spells are harder to detect by Weave users, and visa versa. With appropriate feats, the spells become harder to counter and more effective (although the reverse applies too, so it evens out).
Priest spells, although divine, are accessed through a conduit formed by the Weave - essentially making the priests "tap" the Weave in order to channel the divine powers. Sorcerers and bards use their inate abilities to shape the Weave into the desired effect. Sharran clerics could probably tap the Shadow Weave instead to channel Shar's power, but there might be differences because the Shadoweave is more attuned to particular schools/spheres of magic.
As for misuse of magic, Mystra is primarily concerned with magic users propogating and creating magic. Magic itself is neither good nor evil, it is the magic user that uses it for their own purposes. The Red Wizards, while evil, have made staggering advances in their particular areas - circle magic in particular. Even though they are "evil" they are still creating new magics daily. The most dangerous of spells are locked away and won't ever be allowed back into mortal hands.
Shadowweave users' spells are harder to detect by Weave users, and visa versa. With appropriate feats, the spells become harder to counter and more effective (although the reverse applies too, so it evens out).
Priest spells, although divine, are accessed through a conduit formed by the Weave - essentially making the priests "tap" the Weave in order to channel the divine powers. Sorcerers and bards use their inate abilities to shape the Weave into the desired effect. Sharran clerics could probably tap the Shadow Weave instead to channel Shar's power, but there might be differences because the Shadoweave is more attuned to particular schools/spheres of magic.
As for misuse of magic, Mystra is primarily concerned with magic users propogating and creating magic. Magic itself is neither good nor evil, it is the magic user that uses it for their own purposes. The Red Wizards, while evil, have made staggering advances in their particular areas - circle magic in particular. Even though they are "evil" they are still creating new magics daily. The most dangerous of spells are locked away and won't ever be allowed back into mortal hands.