(ouch)shield spells and Ranged weapons

[Elenthis]

I did a quick search and came up empty-handed, so I thought I would share.
Rilm and Elenthis had a spar, and Rilm used a crossbow. (he was on combatmode +ranged, as far as I am aware) and I had shockshield on. The shockshield still struck him as though he were using touch-based attacks.
~Elenthis.

[Vibius]

Has he the feat that allows him to use ranged weapons in close combat?

[Caelnai]

"+RANGED" means "You use ranged/melee weapons as melee weapons in combat" so you would have been in direct contact with the shield. (The +/- always seemed backwards to me. )

However, either combatmode gives you the same effect from shock/fire/etc-shields. My understanding of the idea is that "threads" of power reach out from the shield in reaction to an attacker's strike. Mud coding being what it is (compared to attack distance tables in tabletop), you will be susceptible to this unless you range attack from an adjacent room.

Anyway, I think it is working the way it should? Feel free to bring up on Discussion.

[Raona]

D20 seems to suggest this shouldn't be the case, actually, I think:

Creatures wielding weapons with exceptional reach are not subject to this damage if they attack you.

I don't think we (have yet?) implemented weapon reach, but the above seems to suggest a ranged weapon would be immune in melee.

Also, PUNCH, KICK, and the like do not seem to take damage from these shields.

I'm moving this back to reporting, for the moment. I think we do need to review when these shields make owie!

Low priority, but non-negligible. Thanks for the report, Elenthis!

[Caelnai]

We've been racking our brains to find a coded way to fix this, because of the difference between how the mud calculates combat distance compared to D20/3ed.

I think the best suggestion so far is to code an intercept on damage from these shields if a PC has set combatmode -ranged, but we'd need to make sure it didn't apply if they switched to a full melee weapon or dropped all weapons and started brawling. Other thoughts?

Are there other shields that should fall into this category besides fire and shockshields? (You can see I don't play spellcasters much. )

[Alaudrien]

Fire/shock/ice/acid-shields. Also as mentioned kick and punch above they have there own issues with other spells and damaging overly much on armor but thats for another topic ^.^

[Yavor]

I think the best suggestion so far is to code an intercept on damage from these shields if a PC has set combatmode -ranged, but we'd need to make sure it didn't apply if they switched to a full melee weapon or dropped all weapons and started brawling. Other thoughts?

I don't know if this is possible, but when the character is attacking and the victim is affected by any of these spells, check that the weapon(s) the pc is using allows to be either be thrown or shoot with, and in the last case check that he has ammo left all of this reading the combatmode. In case he doesn't fulfill any of the two conditions it would be called the code associated to its respective spells.

Are there other shields that should fall into this category besides fire and shockshields? (You can see I don't play spellcasters much. )

Acidshield, Iceshield and Blade Barrier.

[Tavik]

Confirmed and entered into bugzilla. Thanks!

[Raona]

I think this has "now" been fixed! ("Now" actually being a while ago, but I'm just starting to catch up with Mask's amazing bug-crushing rampage.) If you have seen or see any further instances of this problem occurring, though, please report them here. Thanks!

[Lathander]

I thought that ranged weapons as a whole have been incorrect for a long time.

[Raona]

I thought that ranged weapons as a whole have been incorrect for a long time.

Yes, and I fear they remain that way for now. Those that do work, however, no longer lead to you getting blade barriered, (ouch)shielded, etc. Or at least they should.

[Selveem]

This includes extended reach weapons (polearms and the like), too?

[Raona]

This includes extended reach weapons (polearms and the like), too?

Nope, sorry - that's a whole 'nother ball of wax that we haven't even touched, as far as I know. I don't think weapon reach is coded in and it is unlikely to make the cutoff any time soon. If you are engaged in melee with an (ouch)shield, you are getting the boo-boo, unless you are shooting a ranged weapon (at point-blank range).

[Nylo]

I've noticed that kicks do not trigger a response from my fireshield. I don't have access to the others(shockshield, iceshield, acidshield) so I haven't tested them.

[Raona]

I've noticed that kicks do not trigger a response from my fireshield. I don't have access to the others(shockshield, iceshield, acidshield) so I haven't tested them.

Drat, I thought we had this fixed! Has it recently come undone?

[Nylo]

I've got a second char with fireshield now - kicks aren't triggering a response on this one, either. I'll try to get iceshield and shockshield to test.

[Raona]

I've got a second char with fireshield now - kicks aren't triggering a response on this one, either. I'll try to get iceshield and shockshield to test.

Don't go out of your way to get these spells to test this - that's what the code council bug testing team is for! (We can grant these spells to test PCs and easily check things that way.)

Confirmed: Acidshield, Fireshield, Iceshield, and Shockshield all ignore kicks and punches.

Note to self: Blade Barrier removed from the game.

[Nylo]

From what I've seen, the problem may lie in the way kicks and punches are processed by the engine. They currently don't seem to act as melee attacks, as they will ignore shields and flight when hitting.

[Raona]

From what I've seen, the problem may lie in the way kicks and punches are processed by the engine. They currently don't seem to act as melee attacks, as they will ignore shields and flight when hitting.

Ah, thanks Nylo. That's a more general problem, good observation! I'll try to tie together all the PUNCH/KICK bugs and then confirm you are right...but I'm guessing you are!