Resizing for the little people

[Gwain]

When we had fighters resizing every weapon they had so that they could wield two at once, no one seemed to care how that unbalanced the game. Now that you have to take the time to buy and barter for small sizes or use glory to make them, I think you have to think. And again, as someone who has had to take the time to think and consider about spending glory to resize magical objects that I bought from a merchant, I would prefer that everyone suffer the same fate. I do however think halflings, gnomes and tiny people out there have the right to receive their quest rewards resized for them at the completion of quests that reward said items.

The past, where warrior characters could resize magic weapons to wield two at any time is truly and utterly dead. I have no issue with warriors finding smaller weapons or buying them secondhand, or glory resizing them, anything else, lost to the sands of time.

Fairness, like the ability for rewards to resize for small races at quest completion is the new now, for everything else, there is glory application

[Athon]

Well, if the item automatically resized to your character's size, you wouldn't have issues with fighters resizing weapons to wield two at once. Besides, now that weapons are all to the D20 standards, resizing won't give you any benefit. Fighters are supposed to dual wield two weapons of their size if they're going two-weapon fighting. Resizing a long sword to size small so you can dual wield two longswords before GM dual wield will come with a damage penalty to your small longsword (from 1d8 to 1d6) that can be matched by a light weapon. In essence, said problem of resizing had to do with mechanics and not the resizing system and is completely irrelevant to the topic now.

Glory should not be used to remain competitive - it should be used for unique flair. But right now, the system requires small characters to expend glory just to remain competitive if they want magical armour.

If this was only limited to when the item was issued, the small characters would still be mightily screwed when trying to purchase magical items from non-small characters. And seeing as the game distribution heavily favors medium characters, the chances of small characters finding USEFUL small-sized loot without spending glory is much smalller than it is for a medium character.

Even if this change applies only at item reception, it will still be unfair to small or large characters. And the source supports this claim.

[Selveem]

[...] There may be rare exceptions, especially with racial specific items.

For this, I could see my Wemic spending 20 glory to have his magical boots and renamed something IC-appropriate (such as Gwain's suggestion of claw guards of some sort) and made available to monstrous humanoids.

Anything beyond that I feel is a bit unfair: even though Glory is a finite resource, it's even more restricted for large characters (especially Wemics) as there are many quests it is not ICly appropriate for them to do. I've done most of them that I felt he should be able to do and he's only sitting at 89 glory.

That would allow me for a maximum of four such items. If I did two +2 items now, that would only leave me two in the future (those would be the only slots required [barding/legs,belt and feet] with this revision). If there ever comes a time where I run across something such as rare material replacement or better than +2, I would have to spend my remaining glory to upgrade it.

[Kinni]

I don't quite get the concept or connection of having glory points required to resize magic equipment. I can see its usefulness for restringing item names and the like, as glory and restrings both seem relatively OOC to me.

I have not once received a magic item sized to my character for any quest completed. It's rather frustrating, not only because of the glory point spending involved, but because of the application process. If it is decided that glory points are still a must for resizing magical items, can I suggest and NPC that works this process in game? That is, takes glory instead of coin for payment. It's not an optimal solution, but would alleviate the burden of applications for this purpose for both players and staff.

I think the overall best solution is to have the item sized appropriate on completion of the quest. In all likelihood, the NPC recognizes his/her helper's stature and digs through his/her satchel of goodies and hands out something accordingly, anyway. That being said, I am all for the expensive cost required to resize something that you did not earn through quested process, and instead took the easy way out and purchased.

Here's to hoping the little people get a fair shake!

[Harroghty]

No comment on alternative processes, but it is the rare application which is not serviced within a couple of days. Sometimes within a few hours.

Update to this: I am looking into some options based upon the comments here.

[Vibius]

I have several ideas:

-The first time a player wears a magic item it automatically resizes for that player, further uses by different sized characters doesn't cause the item to resize.

-Several new NPC's which have a small program, you give them X coins, any magical item, and they return it to you resized one category lower.

-Special rooms that you must pay the Mystran/Gondar/Whatever to enter, (transmutational circles, compaction chamber, ...) everything you drop there you can pick up it again and it is a size lower.

-The creation of a item, that perhaps could be bought or produced through alchemy that upon its use in your inventory it reduces one category lower all your items in your inventory. (stone of small).

-My favorite and a brand new use for favor; 'supplicate resize', your deity turns an item of your choice to your size.

I have run out of ideas.

[Lirith]

My favorite and a brand new use for favor; 'supplicate resize', your deity turns an item of your choice to your size.

I think this one in particular is a great idea.

[Vibius]

Thank you Lirith.

Also possibly the easiest to implement, and less troublesome (no need for rooms or mobs).

[Alitar]

-My favorite and a brand new use for favor; 'supplicate resize', your deity turns an item of your choice to your size.

I really like this one. Having spent 40 glory on two resizes I gotta say, it feels awful knowing that in order to make things fit your character you're forever giving up the chance of having them look the way you want with renames.

[Hrosskell]

I've been meaning to bump this for a while. I think a lot of comments in favor of some alternative, any alternative, hit this thread and nothing really came of it. I can see it, too--as a medium character I've spent nearly all of my glory on renames. They're cool, and they make really wonderful gifts, and I like it--having to resize everything you own at the current glory cost really cuts in on what I see as the best expenditure for glory, and there's not really an alternative. Makes it hard to keep up for small characters, let alone feel rewarded.

[Lylena]

I've been meaning to bump this for a while. I think a lot of comments in favor of some alternative, any alternative, hit this thread and nothing really came of it. I can see it, too--as a medium character I've spent nearly all of my glory on renames. They're cool, and they make really wonderful gifts, and I like it--having to resize everything you own at the current glory cost really cuts in on what I see as the best expenditure for glory, and there's not really an alternative. Makes it hard to keep up, let alone feel rewarded.

Very well said and on par with how I feel on the topic. The glory is a kick in the teeth at the amount it is.

[Nylo]

I'll second the bump, with another plug for FLAG_RESIZE. If we're trying to move mechanics towards d20, that's an easily made and wide-ranging step towards it.
Edit:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/ma ... MagicItems

When an article of magic clothing or jewelry is discovered, most of the time size shouldn’t be an issue. Many magic garments are made to be easily adjustable, or they adjust themselves magically to the wearer. Size should not keep characters of various kinds from using magic items.

There may be rare exceptions, especially with racial specific items.

And as an additional bonus, it would probably offer a slight decrease in the amount of applications.

[Kinni]

On behalf of all the little people... *BUMP*!

[Benorf]

I am all for the idea of supplicate resize... seems like a good use of it.

[Rhangalas]

On the subject of glory costs, are item renames still 10 glory?

[Gwain]

I think it's ten glory for a rename for items and pets, twenty for a resizing. I also think there's a few other fees that deal with minor item changes but I can't confirm that.

I'm still against a supplication command to resize magic items. I still prefer that the code be changed to allow rmi's to resize auto at the conclusion of quests as seen fit. Anything previous or future in size change should continue to cost glory. It's only fair to the players that have spent glory to resize items already.

[Hrosskell]

Personally, I think we should do -something- about it to make it less prohibitive for small/large characters. That change needs to happen here is evident, but how we hammer it out could be decided democratically (voting between several of the options here, as seems to have worked with the note board thread).

[Alitar]

I'm still against a supplication command to resize magic items. I still prefer that the code be changed to allow rmi's to resize auto at the conclusion of quests as seen fit. Anything previous or future in size change should continue to cost glory. It's only fair to the players that have spent glory to resize items already.

Many people who've spent a lot of glory on resizing have a number of items left tucked away that need to be resized but no longer have glory to do it. Those items wouldn't automatically resize so the people you want it to be fair for will in fact be stuck holding onto a load of items that are too big/small as well as everyone who'd not bothered to resize at all.

[Gwain]

How people spend their glory is their prerogative. Personally, the only way I'd support this change is for a refund of glory for those that have spent the amount. Otherwise I'm still not for it. I'm only one voice though, I see this like "hrm if I waited a month longer I could have had this resized for free"

[Alitar]

How people spend their glory is their prerogative. Personally, the only way I'd support this change is for a refund of glory for those that have spent the amount. Otherwise I'm still not for it. I'm only one voice though, I see this like "hrm if I waited a month longer I could have had this resized for free"

Well, as one of "those" people, I'm just desperate for any solution that helps moving forward. A refund of some glory for restrings already done would be great but I think is very unlikely. A solution so I might be able to get a few more items to fit is all I can hope for.