Speaking in common as a dwarf.

Cret · Post by **Cret** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:22 pm

Perhaps im a bit confussed on this:

Dwarves, as with other races, have heavy accents in the common tongue, as well as any other tongue. But would they have these same accents in Dwarven, or their respected racial language

Dwarf in common:
O' lik' ol' teh wom'n.
Dwarf in Dwarven:
I like all of the women.

Or would they be spoken the same? I understand slang includded, but as a dim-witted gnome I can little to understand dwarven in common, but knowing dwarven at a fairly high level I should be able to speak it somewhat fluiently, though gnomish accents accounted for.

Perhaps for RP sake this is fine, but Im still confused.

Lukian · Post by **Lukian** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:53 pm

I honestly cant say for sure...I would suspect you are right about that though...I know that in Common I use words that he wouldnt in Elven, such as Aye, Nae, and a few others...and I use words in elven that I wont in Common, like I'd never name "the father" when speaking in common. *shrug* I would guess its mostly RO choice, but we'll see...

Bragbub · Post by **Bragbub** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:40 pm

I think it's just a role play decision. Almost always I see dwarves speaking with their accents even in the dwarven language. Orcs do the same thing on FK. But I can't give a definate answer on whether we should or shouldn't.

Tempus · Post by **Tempus** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:23 am

Accents can be a controversial issue. Yes, it can be said that a dwarf speaking in dwarven would sound perfectly normal to another dwarf, and so could perhaps use normal written english, rather than typing in an accent.

However, there is also the argument that dwarves from as far apart as just 20 miles would have accents that may be wildly different (In Scotland, the accent dwarvish is based on, that is certainly the case).

help dwarves indicates that dwarves are expected to speak with an appropriate accent, and I would think this includes when speaking in dwarven. You may, however, drop the accent for otell/osay and question, if you wish

Mingus · Post by **Mingus** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:05 am

Wouldn't it depend on the amount contact have with humans. So a(n) dwarf/gnome/elf/orc from a human city would start sounding more and more like humans to the point of having no accents at all. And intern a MH dwarf/deep gnome/silvan elf/village orc would keep their distinct dialect. So it would all depend where the dwarf/gnome/elf/orc grew up and is currently living in. So even some of you gnomes or elves should have funny accents too.

Blug · Post by **Blug** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 7:30 pm

I think that contact with humans would apply, yes, but as far as sounding all dwarfy in dwarven, if a human who knows dwarven listens to a dwarf who is speaking dwarven, the dwarf would likely have the same hometown accent as he does with his common. I think that the accent should be the same in dwarven as in common

Belose · Post by **Belose** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:52 am

I have a bit of a problem with the we don't want our dwarves to be little humans... The thing is a LOT of people who love to RP might not have hardly any association with people from Scotland, even if people are using it in movies, etc. Scottish accents are hard enough to understand when trying to speak American....<note, not English, don't want to start flame wars, heh> I won't even go into trying to understand Gaelic... then there are those who have never read the books with Bruenor in them... so they might not have access that way, either... There's also the problem of having to communicate through words.... some people who can get their meaning across in a face-to-face situation, might not be able to get meaning across through the written word... I can see newbies not understanding anything about emotes or smotes to SPECIFICALLY draw attention to an emotion or DELIBERATE action to get a point across.

I guess I just don't want my Mithril Hall Dwarves to be denied glory or favor points simply because he's been hanging around a lot of Waterdeep people and starting to sound a lot like them... but when it comes down to it.. if I want to play a dwarf, I'll do my best to play like the DM's want, it's their game to run and I want to play in it.... and hope they can understand what my dwarves are saying...hehehe

p.s. I wonder if anyone would notice if a dwarf is actually speaking in a heavy accent or having a really bad typo day....heh

Algon · Post by **Algon** » Wed May 19, 2004 4:38 pm

I have been doing some research, I would like to create a Dwarven character, but I would like to know what is expected of one. The problem that I am having is the address for the language is not right. I am probably just doing something wrong. But here is the address that I have been trying.

http://www.delving.com/langmain.html

All I get is an URL not found error.

Timaeus · Post by **Timaeus** » Wed May 19, 2004 5:11 pm

The whole of the Dwarven Delving website has changed format. I have yet to have the time to go through and find where they moved the articles and resources. You could try the http://www.delving.com url and then try to locate language resources.

Laelith · Post by **Laelith** » Thu May 20, 2004 8:21 am

However, there is also the argument that dwarves from as far apart as just 20 miles would have accents that may be wildly different (In Scotland, the accent dwarvish is based on, that is certainly the case).

Remind me to ask a few people if I sound like a dwarf.

Gwain · Post by **Gwain** » Thu May 20, 2004 10:00 pm

Dwarven is a hearty language of individuals that busy themselves yelling over hammer blows and the constant sound of a pick. But I would be hard pressed to find a real world example of dwarvish. Tolkien's dwarves spoke quite eloquently and I think that the dwarves of fk speak an accent of their own world. That comes about because of the infusion of their native tongue and varios others. What we could be hearing when a dwarve speaks is their wordings being reflected in our tongue. What a dwarf sounds like when he speaks elven is mostlikely different for though he still has his "yers" and "donnaes" and "innaes" about his words, he is speaking elvish so they become in a sense an adstraction of the elvish. In other words the language of other races affects those of other races. Scotish accents might appear simmiliare but depending on the dwarf there is a variance. Its like the difference between Gaelic and Norrœna, though they can be traced to ruffly the same areas of the United kingdom Norrœna, is closer to old norse and holds only small ties to gaelic.

Of course this might not be totally true since dwarven accents are based on imagination and interpretation which allows for anyhting as long as it makes sense.

Algon · Post by **Algon** » Fri May 21, 2004 12:59 pm

Well, I have looked everywhere and cannot find anything that shows how a Dwarf would sound. Though I did find some of the actual Dwarven language. So I was wondering if perhaps a long time Dwarven player would be kind enough to sit down and give some of us a small example of how one should sound. Nothing long and drawn out , just a little bit so we can have an overall idea.
Thanks,

Laelith · Post by **Laelith** » Fri May 21, 2004 1:37 pm

"Aw shut yer mooth ye cheeky fooker! Ah'm no scared ae ye! I'll gie ye a square go anyday ye like, ya bastard! REET!! You 'n me - ootside - noo!"

That was pure class! Have you been reading Trainspotting lately Mystra?

If anyone would like any suggestions for pronounciation I'd be happy to help. I knew being from the freezing north would come in handy one day.

Timaeus · Post by **Timaeus** » Fri May 21, 2004 10:01 pm

Yes those are from the Dwarven Delving language pages. Still haven't found them on their new website.

Algon · Post by **Algon** » Mon May 24, 2004 4:48 pm

For some reason that link is working now.

http://www.delving.com/speak.html
Must have been a server issue.

Saiden · Post by **Saiden** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:44 pm

I believe this was brought up before, but never heard the results, and now can't find the string.

But I was wondering if all races had to use accents when they speak in their own language.

Like if a dwarf spoke in dwarven, would the player still have to type:

say Ah t'ink Ah'm gonna head on up from under da mount'n, an go sell some o' me metals to dem tall ones in watery deep.

I can understand typing like that in common, or other languages not his own.

Gwain · Post by **Gwain** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:52 pm

http://www.forgottenkingdoms.com/board/ ... ht=accents

Found it in two minutes by typing the word Accent into the search option at the top of the forum

In the future don't forget to check with the search function, just type in a part of the subject or a keyword you think might relate to it. No worries though.

Exer · Post by **Exer** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:20 am

For any new subject you want to open, please use the search function first. See if the subject is already started. If it is, then post it under that thread. If not, then go for it and open a new one

It makes it easier to keep all that info is well organized!

Thanks!

Tortus · Post by **Tortus** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:36 pm

Kudos to Sharni for posting all those dwarven words, but can you really actually use them in the game?
I think it was said in a discussion about the elven language that you couldn't use elven words in-game, since not everyone knows what they mean.

Just to clarify, is this correct, and does this apply to the dwarven words as well?

Wenin · Post by **Wenin** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:29 pm

I ran into a dwarven character this morning that had an accent so thick that it had my head spinning to decipher it. I liked it! =)

But I have to say, the next time I talk to this character I'll be busting out my sad Dwarven skill to speak to him..... hopefully if he speaks back in dwarven... it will be without the accent. =) Otherwise what's the point of learning dwarven, but to speak to the few Dwarven NPC merchants? =)