Lapidary

Melian · Post by **Melian** » Sat Sep 20, 2003 3:25 am

Since the lapidary trade skill has been up and running again, and with new objects to create, I was wondering if there was a full list of that is available to construct. Or will the help file be recreated?

Another thing is that someone has requested putting earthstones into a piece of jewelry, and because I know the code has been abused in the past, is it possible to use the earthstones for jewelry, or perhaps clumps of earth?

Tempus · Post by **Tempus** » Sat Sep 20, 2003 7:59 am

This helpfile is on the list of those to be updated, and will be sorted when Mystra has less pressing things to worry about.

Items which can be set in jewellry are those that could be considered 'treasure', such as gemstones. Earthstones and the like are currently not of the correct item type to be set. Whether they will be changed depends on whether any of their uses rely on the current item type being maintained.

Cret · Post by **Cret** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:19 am

I was wondering, if there were any way to code the following:

construct jewelry ring gold platinum

This would create:
a gold ring set with plainum

where what I would like to see is:

a gold and platinum ring.

Though this might conflict with the gems.. a gold and saphire ring.. I was hoping this would be added so PCs might make more variety...

Mingus · Post by **Mingus** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:59 am

Could a treasure type faith symbols be made available to buy at your local church or elsewhere. So if use in lapidary, ie a ring: construct jewelry ring gold symbol/god/crest/ect eq construct jewelry ring gold Moradin you get a ring gold set with the symbol of Moradin. Simply make them all the symbol of <god> so those word end up with the rings title. For a few qp you could get your own symbol madd with your PC nameSO you could get a gold ring set with the crest of lord <PC name>. Groups can have crest/symbols made available to their mamber so the can have rings and neclaces made to suit their style. and start to use the trade to produce none magical sybols rather than the generc ones currently sold for the faiths.

Rhelian · Post by **Rhelian** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 10:08 pm

Not sure how most people feel about it, but most of my characters would tend to get a little...upset...if they saw someone of their faith taking a holy symbol and trying to set it into a peice of jewlery - and if it was someone OUTSIDE the faith doing it, they'd be quite annoyed. It's like taking a normal crucifix in our world and trying to weld it into a ring. Not very respectful at all.

Mingus · Post by **Mingus** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:10 pm

Rhelian wrote:It's like taking a normal crucifix in our world and trying to weld it into a ring. Not very respectful at all.

So all those people wearing crosses(even some with Jesus on them) on chains around their necks are heathens and devil worshipers? Wow thanks for that info.

Its obvious that you have not seen some rings worn by bishops or higher members of the Catholic church. I know many Christians hate the Pope but they still would not call him the son of satan(Damian) for wearing rings and chains with the cross. For other things, yes, but not for that since they too wear jewelry with the cross themselves. I've seen jewelry with the Star of Davis, Vishnu/Brahma/Siva and other religions. Are they all heretics?

In the game I have seen chains with the symbol of a god to signet rings of another. So what would be the difference in jewelers making the jewelry that buying it in a store, where supposedly a mob is making them. I am not talking about the "Holy Symbol" given to new followers and worn as "Symbol". No, I am talking a line of symbols/insignias for all the gods available in their churches so that a player can have a bit of diversity in choice of religious jewelry. A treasure_type and made like a gem but with no resale value. If possible the gem/symbol could make the made jewelry worthless too.

There must be some evil jewelers about for the evil religions. If a Selunite makes a ring for Tyrite would that call for a holy war. Of course not. Cyrists might have problems RP'n the making of such jewelry, cause they don't get along with anyone. But he and his church are the exception. Do any of your PC beat up the storekeeps of their churches when they see them sell a necklace with the gods symbol or a ring. why would they get upset with another member wearing a anklet, chain, two rings, two bracelets, and a tiara all with the symbol of the god. If in fact they should be jealous or ashamed they do not show such love to their god as to wear and uphold their gods symbol so proudly. What a good way for a devotee preach the word of their god and then to distribute the symbol on a chain, so as to promote the word. Somebody wanting to follow a god can be RPed with and then given a ring or chain or what ever as something they can wear until they can get the official symbol. That's just some of the RPs that can happen. And what if your church just offers rings and you wanted a chain. Right now there is nothing you can do about it.

You can certainly RP sacrilege but someone trun right back can RP questioning your love of said god cause you don't bother to show it so proudly.

Beshaba · Post by **Beshaba** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:26 pm

Actually, there are some Christian religions that do view a crucifix as a bad thing, rather than a good one. I'd also like to point out, as someone who was raised Catholic, the rest of Christianity does not necessarily consider the Catholics to be role models.

Any way, even from evil old me, love of one's god should be shown more through action than through clothing and jewelry tastes.

Mingus · Post by **Mingus** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 1:07 am

Besheba wrote:the rest of Christianity does not necessarily consider the Catholics to be role models.

I agree and disagree. Yes all the other Christian churches don't like the Catholics but they don't like one other as well. The Lutherans, Prepetarians, Roman Catholics, Mormons, Orthodox and all the other sects have a distaste for each other. The same can be said for all the other religions. I just chose Catholics cause they are more worldy known as is the Pope. Not many people know who the high priest of the lutheran church is or his title.

Beshaba wrote:Any way, even from evil old me, love of one's god should be shown more through action than through clothing and jewelry tastes.

I agree, actions are what makes you a better member of what ever religion.(favor levels) But then why have holy symbols with the image of your god, the symbols of faith would work just fine and just have your god in the score sheet. Why have countless of garments and jewelry in the game, if not for the player/PCs to show their taste in that particular god? I am not asking for magical symbols that will raise your favor but a gem like treasure that you can set into rings and other jewelry. If there are diamonds and rubies why not this? You just don't mine them but purchase them at your gods church. Are you also saying there are no jewelry available with Beshabas symbol available to her followers? I would think you could keep it that way by not allowing the sale of the gem-symbol. And the same for any god that deems that unappropriate. But I am sure others would not mind if the item was done to good taste.(according to the religion)

Are your supplicated items with out a sign on them that they came from you? How would a follower with all three of your supplicated items measure up to someone with out and ignored?

Taste? That is important to some PCs. If not, we all would be wearing the plain clothing gotten from the starter temple and the game would not need ANSI color. Also we could do away with the changing of adjectives since RP action would be what would set us apart rather than what we look like. Taste is what sets the PCs apart. There are many tall male humans about but if you know one wears just green because that is his TASTE, then you can tell him apart from the rest for your RP with him. So what if some PC wants to wear jewelry with his/her deities symbol on them, that's his RP. Even if he's a lousy follower. What a great RP for an Arch bishop to catch him and end with stripping him of some of them...

Melian · Post by **Melian** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 1:09 am

As you said, earthstones are more of amo, well, what about the clumps of earth, would that work in setting it into a ring, or earrings?

Tempus · Post by **Tempus** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:07 am

Rhelian wrote:Not sure how most people feel about it, but most of my characters would tend to get a little...upset...if they saw someone of their faith taking a holy symbol and trying to set it into a peice of jewlery

I think you misunderstand. What was being asked for was not a 'holy symbol' in the sense of one worn to indicate acceptance of a particular god, but rather a representation of that symbol which could be used for making jewellry.

If these items are purchaseable only by faith members from a temple, then a jeweller could be hired to work under supervision in setting these in an appropriate piece. I don't see any grounds for being upset here. If you don't want someone to do it for you, feel free not to.

There are currently many items in the game which bear the symbols of gods, yet are not 'holy symbols' in the game technical sense of the word.

mele wrote:what about the clumps of earth, would that work in setting it into a ring, or earrings?

I would say no, unless you can purchase earth already encapsulated in a suitable container. I personally have never seen a 'clump of earth' pendant in real life, or similar. Not without the earth/paper/whatever being encased in a metal cylinder or sealed crystalline/plastic tube.

Mingus · Post by **Mingus** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 8:49 pm

Oh wait, I did not mean to limit it to just rings. Though I don't know how lapidary works. I did mean for all jewelry. If there is only symbols on fine chains and my PC would more likely have a torque. Or how about charm bracelet with a little lightning bolt. Maybe not the name of the deity if you don't have a good knowledge-religion skill but rather the symbol. ie you see just the little lighting bold charm on the bracelet with little or no knowledge-religion or your see a "symbol of talos" if you have a moderate or high knowledge religion. If this is not too hard to implement. Or just the symbol rather that a blatant statement as "a ring with the symbol of cyric". So not to have to remove them when you cover your symbol but still provide a bit of a clue to a characters profile. And start RPs such as an unknowing elf or druid start commenting on how nice that little gold Zig-Zag dangle looks on your ear :p

Adorah · Post by **Adorah** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:05 pm

It seems like a very interesting idea..
Or even perhaps engraving the symbol or "symbols" since they don’t necessarily have to be part of a faith right?
Hmmm it could even be pondered what if there could be a "paper" type that could be "treasure" that whatever is written on it.. (Short) would be engraved on the item, be it a ring, earring, bracer, torque.. Just a thought though...

Adorah Rashe..

Rhelian · Post by **Rhelian** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:18 pm

Rhelian wrote:It's like taking a normal crucifix in our world and trying to weld it into a ring. Not very respectful at all.

Mingus wrote:So all those people wearing crosses(even some with Jesus on them) on chains around their necks are heathens and devil worshipers? Wow thanks for that info.

Frankly, I'm not sure whether you simply read my post wrong, and got rings confused with necklaces, or in your pursuit to deliver another highly witty sarcastic comment (well, you'll get there one day, hopefully) you had trouble understanding a simple sentence. I'll make it easier and type slower for you, will I? What I was stating is that taking a "holy artifact" of a faith and randomly trying to set it into jewlery isn't very respectful. And yes, crucifixes, scapulas, medallions, even a yarmulke are "holy artifacts", although the yarmulke couldn't be set, if you think about it.

Mingus wrote:Its obvious that you have not seen some rings worn by bishops or higher members of the Catholic church. I know many Christians hate the Pope but they still would not call him the son of satan(Damian) for wearing rings and chains with the cross.

Yes, yes I have. Those are rings with a representation of the crucifix, or a signet of a particular saint - not someone taking a holy symbol and attaching a ring to it. And I'm not sure why you think many Christians hate the Papalcy and the Pope, but if that's what you want to think I won't try to change your view

Mingus wrote:Yes all the other Christian churches don't like the Catholics but they don't like one other as well. The Lutherans, Prepetarians, Roman Catholics, Mormons, Orthodox and all the other sects have a distaste for each other. The same can be said for all the other religions.

I'm not exactly sure where you're getting your information. You're trying to state that all other Christian faiths find each other distasteful? The only partially correct idea in that whole statement is that the Lutherans dislike the Papalcy, and the centralised Church heirachy it represents, but not Catholisism. As for hating each other's faiths? One of the basic tennants of Christianity it to "Love thy neighbour". There might be ideological and theological discrepencies between different Christian faiths, but outright hate I doubt is part of any doctrine. Maybe you should do some modicum of research before you make these grand, sweeping statements, that are based on ill-informed notions.

Mingus wrote:I've seen jewelry with the Star of Davis, Vishnu/Brahma/Siva and other religions. Are they all heretics?

I'm sure you know the answer to this already. If not, read the start of this post. Several times if necessary

Mingus wrote: Do any of your PC beat up the storekeeps of their churches when they see them sell a necklace with the gods symbol or a ring. why would they get upset with another member wearing a anklet, chain, two rings, two bracelets, and a tiara all with the symbol of the god. If in fact they should be jealous or ashamed they do not show such love to their god as to wear and uphold their gods symbol so proudly.

Faith and devotion are a personal thing. Wearing masses of jewlery does not mean you are more devoted than someone who has one worn, old, well-loved symbol. As for why they would get upset? That varies from character to character, but to give you a general idea, using a sacred symbol as a fashion statement would be considered offensive and not respectful. In my point of view. If you reduce a symbol of faith (be it a ring, necklace, whatever) to a peice of jewlery to look nice, how is that showing the respect and love the character supposedly espouses?

Mingus wrote:You can certainly RP sacrilege but someone trun right back can RP questioning your love of said god cause you don't bother to show it so proudly.

If you want to RP sacrilege, then that's your choice. Questioning another character's faith? Also your choice, but don't be surprised if the character deigns not to answer you, or kills you.

Now that that's out fo the way, I would like to say, mainly to Mingus, that these boards to the best of my knowledge are for constructive discussion of ideas in the game, or ideas for additions to the game. As such they should reperesent an even-tempered, nice discussion. You state in another thread that you are known to be sarcastic, and have been so on all three versions of the Forgotten Kingdoms forums. I would suggest to you that as such, you should know better than anyone that these forums are a friendly place, and that continual sarcasm in response to other people's posts is neither constructive, nor "nice". Offering ideas is what these forums are here for, but you must also be prepared to accept other people might have equally valid points of view. Posting, then reposting simply to "attack" a reponse to your post is rather futile, and sugegsts you have some personal problems you might need to deal with in your own time. It is also likely to encourage people to disregard most of your posts as pointless or not worth the time reading, for if they reply and do not agree exactly with your statements, they should expect a personal attack.

I would also like to apologise to anyone who has had to read this post, as I did not intend to hi-jack this thread. These forums are a good place to trade ideas and discuss them to their fullest, and I feel it should eb kept that way. However, if anyone wishes to comment or has their own personal statements to add, including Mingus, please feel free to PM me and we can discuss things in a civilised manner.

Tempus · Post by **Tempus** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 10:43 am

I am closing this thread as I cannot see any constructive discussion resulting from its continued existence.

Yet again, posters are reminded that the ability to post in these forums is a privilege, not a right, and posters must adhere to the rules set out in http://www.forgottenkingdoms.com/board/phpBB2/rules.php

Beshaba · Post by **Beshaba** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:48 pm

Would it be possible to set more than one gemstone in a single piece of jewelry while constructing: ie

construct jewelry type metal gem gem gem

Tandria · Post by **Tandria** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:21 am

I think that a barrette or hair clasp would be a nifty little thing to be able to make for lapidary. Would be a "worn-on-head" item, most likely. Any thoughts?

Lea · Post by **Lea** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:58 am

I like that idea because there are not enough choices out there for these type of items.

Tandria · Post by **Tandria** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:33 am

Sorry for beating a dead horse with lapidary, but I had another idea for the trade . . . pendants. Perhaps pendants could be made as well, but one would be able to set THOSE in jewelry as well, or sell them/give them away/etc. entirely separately. For example, the pendant wouldn't have the name of the metal, because that would make objects waaayyy too long. For example, a gold pendant set with a tiny emerald would look like this:

{B0}a pendant set with {A0}a tiny emerald

And then a gold necklace set with the pendant would look like this:

{B0}A gold necklace set with a pendant set with {A0}a tiny emerald

Or something.

Thoughts?

Mele · Post by **Mele** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:28 am

I've actually mentioned an idea like this with charms that could be set to one of the builders who builds most here. :)

Only problem, a pendant or a charm set on a ring or maybe even earrings is kind of off key, imo. :)

~Danica

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