Lloth Worship
Luckily this is fk and not canon, if it were canon chances are someone would fire me out of it! I think confining half drow to the underdark like all drow would solve many problems certain surface half drow might be causing, however I might be wrong. Some might be striving to follow the restrictions placed on them through rp and the choices they have made, those that think they could irk out an existense on the surface should apply to be put there. If they are patient and can wait I am sure it will be worthwhile. Of course, this is only a suggestion based in response to this board posting, my ideas are my suggestions.
Justice is not neccesarily honourable, it is a tolerable business, in essence you tolerate honour until it impedes justice, then you do what is right.
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Gregal
I just want to say after reading all these responses, I believe why even worry about weather or not Lloth would be represented? I believe the drow rp is just as important as any other? In all my studies at school I believe I have learned in order to have one side and it be exsistant you must have a opposite side. I have played FK for quite a while and it is lately that the imms have taken into making a interaction of rp. But at the same time I believe that many of the Gods are not represented. I truely ask myself sometimes are the gods even really there? We have some imms that are present and others that are not. If a god does a action you have to ask is that the true player of that god or is that another imm playing that god, and then you have to ask if it is not, is the real player of the god going to find out what happened. With the drow their rp is a greater advantage to the evil side of the game. I truely believe that the evil side of the game is at a disadvantage and I don't think we need it to be a character of Malar or Talona or even another evil diety that has shown no appearance in the game. Look at the major players in the game, they are goodies and following a active god. I have read the novels for many of years, and have all the sourcebooks, but if we are to have a great rp we must have the support behind it. I know that after talking with a imm for a while I know that this isn't a mush, but it is a mud with heavy rp. There are sometimes when I feel that my rp should not even be there, but should be just type murder and go at it. One thing I have learned in a philosophy class is; One cannot ask of another what they are not about to do themselves. If we are to ask one to heavily rp, we must support them. I have spent countless amount of kismet on rewarding rp, because it has been great, and I believe right now we must reward the basic of a person's rp. I mean if people don't even know the basics of FR then how are they even to RP the world? I would love to see the drow actually being allowed to get involved even more, because they are infact a backbone of the evils. Lloth infact is not only focused on the Underdark she has directed her attention to the surface as well to expand her influence on Faerun. I believe this is what we should take into account and make it possible for the drow to rp it. It is my personal opinion and only stating what I believe to be right from reading the novels and the sourcebooks.
~Chris
~Chris
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Dalvyn
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Just to set the debate back on trail: it is more about Lolth worship on the surface than about half-drow on the surface. I don't mind having half-drow on the surface, and I actually think that having them there makes sense.
Where do half-drow come from? I think that a poll would quickly give "from raids from drow" as the number 1 answer. Many half-drow would thus be born on the surface, and most likely be rejected by all there, or feared, or treated in some similar way that would make up for a somehow clichéd, but interesting, background.
Where do half-drow come from? I think that a poll would quickly give "from raids from drow" as the number 1 answer. Many half-drow would thus be born on the surface, and most likely be rejected by all there, or feared, or treated in some similar way that would make up for a somehow clichéd, but interesting, background.
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Gregal
In terms of having Lloth on the surface, in the Faiths and Pantheon it even talks about her extending her power to the surface by using elves that have been wrongly treated and other creatures that see her power and revere it. It is a smart thing to do for a Goddess to extend her numbers of worshipers because it gives them more power. And for Lloth to go to the surface allows for people to fear yet another god capable of doing devastation to the lands.
I do not agree with the suggestion of half-drow being restricted to the underdark. Especially not skullport there is no room for growth, you cannot even reach level 10 there. You have to go to the surface. A halfdrow in drow cities would be no more than a slave if not outright killed as an abomination.
Secondly, I would ask that persons joining this debate not make it personal by placing accusations and attacking a persons ooc character by said accusations. Please keep it proffessional and objective.
I for one have seen enough flames on forums and do not wish to see this turn into one. It can be very informative, especially for those who know little of drow. I think posting information on the drow and the faith from the core books is a really good idea to help others who don't have access to that information, and to sum it up neatly so they do not have to read hundreds of pages just to be able to play properly.
Secondly, I would ask that persons joining this debate not make it personal by placing accusations and attacking a persons ooc character by said accusations. Please keep it proffessional and objective.
I for one have seen enough flames on forums and do not wish to see this turn into one. It can be very informative, especially for those who know little of drow. I think posting information on the drow and the faith from the core books is a really good idea to help others who don't have access to that information, and to sum it up neatly so they do not have to read hundreds of pages just to be able to play properly.
I could quite happily provide justification from book sources for my views on Lloth Drow and the surface but as FR does not obey the background rather using it as a guideline this is pretty pointless (No firing cannons at Gwain 
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I do happily play Drow under the current limitations and I have no intention of stopping. But I do sometimes query the reasoning that has the Drow Players locked away in the underdark. I have heard by rumour that this had something to do with previous player’s misbehaviour though this is before my time on the MUD.
I do completely understand and back the no good Drow policy and support the fact that Lloth is represented as THE goddess of the Drow. However I feel she in fact is no more evil than for example Cyric or Gruumsh. And her worshippers have no more IC justifiable reason than there’s to cause trouble.
Some of the argument seems to be circular in that because Drow players cant get to the surface then Lloth is not interested in the surface. And because Lloth is not interested in the surface then Drow players should not want to go to the surface.
In my opinion what it comes down to is this. Do you trust the players ? or not. Any of the gods of evil or good can be used as a justification for a player killing rampage (about the only god who cant be used to justify murdering some other group is Ilmater) . But players do not generally do that. Why ? because it is no fun in the long run. This is an RP mud not a PK MUD and the point is to actually Role play with others. Ok this can sometimes result in a PK situation but the rules of the mud are quite clear about how this should be done. And i for one have never been involved in a PK that i did not in some way consent to. Also are the Drow players not actually the same players that already have other characters that they could already cause mayhem on the surface with ?. Why should they behave differently when they play Drow rather than other characters ?.
And as far as raiding goes yes this should be an element of Drow RP. As defeating the enemies of the forest is and should be an element of a rangers RP. Rangers can get there fix of defeating evil by going to anywhere with orcs without having to oppress the orc players. They can even go and slaughter NPC Drow if they want at various places. So why can not the Drow be trusted to do this element of there RP in the same manner i.e. raid the many areas around the realms with NPC elves and not oppress the PC elfs in Ardeep ?.
I suppose this has turned into a bit of a rant for which I apologise. I certainly am not going to stop playing my Drow characters even with the current limitations. And I will obey whatever limitations the IMM’s choose to put in place because in the end I love the RP element of being a Drow even if it does not happen as much as I would like.
Duranamir
). I do happily play Drow under the current limitations and I have no intention of stopping. But I do sometimes query the reasoning that has the Drow Players locked away in the underdark. I have heard by rumour that this had something to do with previous player’s misbehaviour though this is before my time on the MUD.
I do completely understand and back the no good Drow policy and support the fact that Lloth is represented as THE goddess of the Drow. However I feel she in fact is no more evil than for example Cyric or Gruumsh. And her worshippers have no more IC justifiable reason than there’s to cause trouble.
Some of the argument seems to be circular in that because Drow players cant get to the surface then Lloth is not interested in the surface. And because Lloth is not interested in the surface then Drow players should not want to go to the surface.
In my opinion what it comes down to is this. Do you trust the players ? or not. Any of the gods of evil or good can be used as a justification for a player killing rampage (about the only god who cant be used to justify murdering some other group is Ilmater) . But players do not generally do that. Why ? because it is no fun in the long run. This is an RP mud not a PK MUD and the point is to actually Role play with others. Ok this can sometimes result in a PK situation but the rules of the mud are quite clear about how this should be done. And i for one have never been involved in a PK that i did not in some way consent to. Also are the Drow players not actually the same players that already have other characters that they could already cause mayhem on the surface with ?. Why should they behave differently when they play Drow rather than other characters ?.
And as far as raiding goes yes this should be an element of Drow RP. As defeating the enemies of the forest is and should be an element of a rangers RP. Rangers can get there fix of defeating evil by going to anywhere with orcs without having to oppress the orc players. They can even go and slaughter NPC Drow if they want at various places. So why can not the Drow be trusted to do this element of there RP in the same manner i.e. raid the many areas around the realms with NPC elves and not oppress the PC elfs in Ardeep ?.
I suppose this has turned into a bit of a rant for which I apologise. I certainly am not going to stop playing my Drow characters even with the current limitations. And I will obey whatever limitations the IMM’s choose to put in place because in the end I love the RP element of being a Drow even if it does not happen as much as I would like.
Duranamir