What do you feel FK is missing?

[Briek]

having only played this game for around two years i see myself as a relative "new guy" to this mud. While on the subject of FMs i do believe that Horace is right, they are raised to that position so they can assist the diety of that faith in that RP for the players lower down the ladder, ICly some character may see it as a positon of influence for themselves but ooc it is a responsability to the continuation of that RP. On the issue of them being inactive briek's faith at the moment has an inactive FM for whatever RL reasons that Maybels player can't be on the game we should respect that and not demote that player just because they can't be on the game right now as they bring something important to faith they lead but Harroghty's reasoning that every organisation in the world has a 2ic if you like should be a part of all faiths as there is a problem right now with a vicious cycle of FM not being active so hopefuls can't enter faith and then they get bored and join another after a while and the faith dies. I would think that the picking of a second would be done by the FM and they would be a part of that FMs inner circle or would it be decided by the imm of that faith?

[Lerytha]

Don't get me wrong on this one guys, I understand that the position of FM is there to help people. Of course it is. However, it is still something people work for as well, and something people put a lot of care and attention into doing. So just bear in mind that other side of the coin, while you're supporting the swift demotion of FMs for periods of inactivity. I think the most important point I raised was not answered, when I asked: Where do we draw the line? That is, at what stage of inactivity do we remove a FM? I agree in principle (I think I've said that, I hope I did!) with Horace.

We are FMs (those of us who are) to do a job, first and foremost. Any RP we get from that is largely secondary. Its just I think we should take care before everyone agrees with sweeping claims, to consider what it means in terms of numbers. Is it a month of inactivity? Two months? Three? Four (etc)?

On the other point, two FMs works extremely well. Just ask Ynaura and myself! Of course, then there's risks of schisms, but that's just fun, isn't it?

[Briek]

With regards to how long should be considered before a FM is considered to inactive to continue really depends on how much depth the faithful responsible for the hopefuls put into the whole get faithed process. Just using my own character as an example i try to make things as in depth as possible for them, giving them lessons on everything i know about the faith, in the case of tyrran faith i organise for them to meet with followers of Torm and Ilmater and quiz them on everything, get meetings together for the hopefuls so they can meet and exchange RP. Now this process might not work for everyone but it does make that wait for them joining the faith/getting quest of faith a little bit more bearable. To give a time scale this sort of RP can last at least a couple of months but you don't want to get to the point where you are just repeating yourself

[Horace]

It's a simple matter to delegate that position

No one needs to lose something in this scenario.

Lerytha, it isn't a demotion. There is no line to draw. Leave them as FM's. There is absolutely no harm in multiple faith managers or stewards of sorts.

And the focus here has gone far too much on FM's. That wasn't my intention. I was much more talking about the things in game that people really seem to enjoy that are put on hold because it was decided that one person on staff will have this area to themselves, and it will be their baby. While the intention is good on other staff, it'd be really simple just to tell people - "we're not going to stop doing it just because you're not around anymore. you're still head honcho and we'll follow your lead, but when you aren't around for periods of time we won't let the player base go without because of ego"

That sentence does apply just as well to FM's. And it also applies to myself when I promise another player I'll help them with something and I'm unable to...I do my best to find someone I trust to help them with it, as opposed to just dumping them.

However, it is still something people work for as well, and something people put a lot of care and attention into doing

That's great! It's the devotion to the game that keeps this core player base so strong. And that needs to stay. But there is a difference between player goals and PC goals. A PC can want that position because it's a feather in their hat and they desire that power. A player needs to want that position because they're game focused, not PC focused. If these two facets of goal orientation aren't separated it makes for a situation where people feel they need to hold onto everything they get regardless of how it affects the game...that is bad.

Anyway, I think I've gone far past just making my point clear. I'll shut up about it now and let everyone get back to their regularly scheduled "What do you feel FK is missing?" program.

[Elerian]

If your the FM and you know without a shadow of a doubt that you will be gone for extended amounts of time, +6 months or more, or if your interest has just waned enough to limit you being able to do your job, it is your duty to step down and have someone else fill your role.

[Elerian]

I'd have to agree with Lerytha and Elerian about the potential in documenting historic events of the mud, it sounds like it could a nice addition to the Museum of Knowledge in the game, which could always beneifit with more player documented historic events and exhibitions.

Did this ever get its feet off the ground?

[Harroghty]

There is a museum, yes, however; it does not have any rotating exhibits. There is room in the area for this though. It's something that the staff could discuss if there were interested players.

The best course of action for players wanting to add their input would be for them to apply with a solid concept of their idea. The staff would then discuss and agree upon the way from there.

[Lathander]

Missing? 100 new players!

[Maybel]

Missing? 100 new players!

At LEAST!

[Rictinta]

I haven't responded yet, because I honestly wanted to see what the newer players of FK said first. So here goes.

Elerian... I agree... 100% and I have been trying to get the rp events going again... this place used to be a RP heaven... the relationships that were built in this game, also built relationships OOC... we were friends with everyone we played with, and the RP events we would have were HUGE. The turn out for a wedding would damn near crash the system, and while I think the newly added areas are great... I really miss the RP events.

As for Selveem not explaining "heart" well enough... It was one person's oppinion that it was missing heart. He's asking what you, as a player, feel that the game is currently missing. Not areas, and such like that... but what do you miss? What would you like to see more of? Basically... what would bring you on FK more often?

Now... I don't think anyone should walk on Eggshells here either... but I agree with a lot of what has been said. You only get out of this game what you put into it. If you want more RP... Organize RP events. If you want a new area... Apply for it, and guess what? Yep... that's right... Build it.

Alright... on the faith manger topic. Lerytha, I understand life takes people away from the game. I was gone for 3 years. But, at the same time, I do agree with Horace's point. You are not in that position for your benefit, you are there because you are there to serve the faith, and those curious of it. In all honesty, I think we would see more people joining in faiths and rping in faiths, if there was more rp involved to be part of a faith. And if someone who is a faith manager needs to take time away from the game, perhaps, a secondary person can be initiated to replace them while they are away if it will be for an extended time, or also, just have two faith managers. This would also help with people who live in different time zones. Many FM have left due to life complications and such, and I think that if someone who is a FM cannot be around for the game, that they are moved to an honorary position. We still know who was a FM, and they wouldn't lose respect amongst the faith, they would still be able to faith and such, but they would be moved to more of a retirement position. You're not losing something by losing that position, and perhaps we could create a position in the faiths for ex-faith mangers who had to step down for life reasons.

So in summary... If you want something, make it happen. Nuff said.

[Arnof]

Please keep in mind, everyone, that Elerian resurrected a thread that's nearly two years old. So... Make sure you take everything you've read throughout it with a certain degree of objectivity.

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