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a tabard of the Golden Lion (previously worn over, now worn as armor, light leather)
a bright cowl (already mentioned)
a quilted underbarding pad (worn under saddle, now padded and worn as armor)

Also: mithril boots with rabbit fur trim are considered "not armour" Not sure if this was intended.

Complete suits from the gentleman's emporium are padded armor and thus not layerable aymore.

When trying to use my supplicate shield, shouldn't shield use shieldwork as proficiency?

You realise that you are not proficient in using shield armour, and will be
clumsy while wearing a shield of the unicorn.
You hold a shield of the unicorn in your right hand.

It is in perfect condition.
It is shield and is medium armour.
It is just the right size for you to wear.
It can be picked up, held.
It cannot be worn with any other armour.
It is medium in size.
It is made of silver and weighs about 3 pounds.

The woolen jupon in the Halls, given as part of the page/squire quest is now worn on the body.

Brar wrote:When trying to use my supplicate shield, shouldn't shield use shieldwork as proficiency?

Shields get their own proficiency feat, actually, but that feat doesn't seem to be in the game yet. Since you're playing a class that has Shieldwork, I'll bet you're supposed to be proficient with it already.

Brar wrote:Complete suits from the gentleman's emporium are padded armor and thus not layerable aymore.

These look fine to me, actually. Padded armor, sure, but no layering problems as best I can tell.

Zasheir wrote:

Brar wrote:Complete suits from the gentleman's emporium are padded armor and thus not layerable aymore.

These look fine to me, actually. Padded armor, sure, but no layering problems as best I can tell.

Well, I can't wear both body item at the same time (tailcoat and idontrememberthename) but it may be only me, i'm a bugged man anyway

Item: a scarlet cloak gilded with shiny gold coins (perfect)
Supplicated item of Waukeen

Used to fit loosely over things, not cannot be worn with anything else.

Well crap, that's where this thread went. I posted back on the bug forum, but also I'll throw it out here in case it doesn't get cross posted.

(1420)Luck ankle chain

Use to wear against skin on feet or leg. Now can not be worn with any other armor, but is not classed as an armor type itself.

a silk headband (superb)

This is a headband made of high quality silk. It has small golden
glyphs embroidered on it.
It is in superb condition.
It is cloth and is not armour.
It is just the right size for you to wear.
It can be picked up, worn on the head.
It cannot be worn with any other armour.
It is medium in size.
It is made of silk and weighs next to nothing.

Has been layer_under for years in similar fashion to the bright cowl, and like most headbands I imagine it's tight enough not to interfere with the wearing of a helm. I didn't have any problems with this one until today, actually, and I understand this discussion has been going on for some time.

"A pair of broad tapering stirups" used to be layer over to go over barding, now worn as armour and cannot be worn without replacing barding

thanks

a black velvet cap (perfect)

This cap is designed to fit closely to the head, with sides that
drape around the ears, and a slight point at the top. It is embroidered
on the edges with a fine silken thread.
It is in perfect condition.
It is cloth and is not armour.
It is just the right size for you to wear.
It can be picked up, worn on the head.
It cannot be worn with any other armour.
It is medium in size.

This one used to fit close to the skin and doesn't even count as armor. Unfortunately, I wear it with every outfit I have.

These gloves used to be worn close to the skin, and you could wear another set of gloves over top of them. Seeing as how they do not offer any AC protection, I do not see why you should not be able to wear another set of gloves over top of them.

padded grey silk gloves (perfect)
It can be picked up, worn on the hands.
It is worn as armour.
It is medium in size.

Hands: none (good)

a padded loin cloth

It used to be worn under the armor but now it has been changed to

It is padded and is light armour.
It is just the right size for you to wear.
It can be picked up, worn on the legs.
It is worn as armour.
It is medium in size.

a bright silver headband
Won't fit over or under my helm.

You must remove a bright silver headband before putting on a black platemail war helm.
You stop using a bright silver headband.
You don a black platemail war helm upon your head.
You must remove a black platemail war helm before putting on a bright silver headband.
You see nothing special.
It can be picked up, worn on the head.
It cannot be worn with any other armour.
It is medium in size.

a fierce green wyrm headdress
Used to be worn over the helm now it is light armour and cannot be worn over my supplicated helm

It is in perfect condition.
It is leather and is light armour.
It is just the right size for you to wear.
It can be picked up, worn on the head.
It is worn as armour.
It is medium in size.

Simple cloth shoulder-bag. Used to be able to be worn loosely over armor.

It can be picked up, worn on the arms, held.
It cannot be worn with any other armour.
It is medium in size.

You stop using a cloak of dark green hue.

You must remove green dragon scale armour before putting on a cloak of dark green hue.

You say, OOC, 'dangit'

This long dark green cloak has no special decoration. It
is made of fine silk.
It is in perfect condition.
It is cloth and is not armour.
It is just the right size for you to wear.
It can be picked up, worn on the body.
It cannot be worn with any other armour.
It is medium in size.
It is made of silk and weighs next to nothing.

Pretty sure this isnt related to the item layer change and is just a singular incident.

Several other similar cloaks are coded similarly (o316, o1307), and I do not know if it is intentional. I believe this does fall under the rubric of the layer change, so I am moving this report to that thread.

The Shadow cloak used to be wear over and could be worn over an undergarment and an item of clothing or armour. Now...a character has to be nude to wear it. ( And while I guess it helps to hide you I prefer not to have my character roam about the cities nude )

Here are the echoes :
wearing a gown and corset:
You must remove a black silk and red lace corset before putting on a shadow cloak.

Then with corset removed:
You must remove a daring black velvet gown before putting on a shadow cloak.

Also tested it with nothing on but another cloak... and got these messages:
You must remove a shadow cloak before putting on a white and gold silk cloak.

And in reverse....
You must remove a white and gold silk cloak before putting on a shadow cloak.

Looks like it takes up all the layers on the body.

Shadow cloak
It is in perfect condition.
It is cloth and is not armour.
It is just the right size for you to wear.
It can be picked up, worn on the body.
It cannot be worn with any other armour.
It is medium in size.
It is made of cloth and weighs next to nothing.

Also....

all the shawls produced by the dress maker in the deep are coded as padded/ light armour
A fine azure shawl tailored in Waterdeep.

It is in perfect condition.
It is padded and is light armour.
It is just the right size for you to wear.
It can be picked up, worn on the body.
It is worn as armour.
It is medium in size.
It is made of cloth and weighs about 1 pound.

( not sure if this was a mistake in the way it was coded...since I'm not sure how a shawl can be armour. but... so be it.)
THUS...
you can not wear anything under them... so you get a shawl( meant to be a dressy item worn with an outfit produced custom in game, that you have to be *nekkid* to wear ) These are purchased at the ladies emporium in the Deep.

Thank you

silver and pearl ankle bells
An elegant piece of jewellery from the Pirate Isles.It can be picked up, worn on the feet.
It is worn as armour.
It is medium in size.

Surely these should go over shoes or boots?

wear bells
You stop using a pair of buckled gold silk ankle boots.
You slip your feet loosely into silver and pearl ankle bells.

<100%hp 72m 100%mv>
wear boots
You stop using silver and pearl ankle bells.
You wear a pair of buckled gold silk ankle boots on your feet.

Thanks

Those ankle bells (or the ankle chains, etc.) were always worn that way.

To get a little bit technical for a second: the items that changed layers were clothing mostly because clothing is ITEM_TYPE_ARMOR. Mask changed the way armor is worn to prevent people from layering armor and getting an unfair advantage. So something like that anklet was not changed because it is likely ITEM_TYPE_TREASURE and therefore not affected by the change.