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I logged on after a few weeks of not playing FK. I knew some equipment was changed because I read the forums, but I didn't know the amount of things that were affected.

Due to the change, the lack of availability for different forms of mundane armor is very obvious for monstrous creatures.

It seems some wear slots were unaffected (as they shouldn't be, given that they have humanoid body parts in places), but some others I would expect to be able to use humanoid armor, I can't. For example, a simple thing like a belt cannot be worn by a Wemic unless it's special, regardless of having a humanoid torso. However, I was told that isn't a bug.

Maybe I'm wrong, though. Has anyone else found various forms of armor available for monstrous humanoids? I think the best I found was scalemail and many other forms were lacking.

Specifically what can and cannot a wemic/centaur wear now in the new system, meaning armour and clothing locations no longer applicable.

The wear locations are still all the same. The difference is that few mundane armors are available for monstrous humanoids that I've found.

Raona did some research on this and it appears that every location is okay for wemics and centaurs (you can wear barding for the waist, but it shows as "body"). (You must just type "wear barding" or whatever the item's keyword is, right now you cannot do "wear waist" or "wear body" it seems.) Below are some example kits. Raona used smaller humanoid armor in order to distinguish it (if it is tight then it is humanoid, if it is not then it is for a quadruped).

<worn on torso> a gladiator's breastplate (bad, tight)
<worn on head> a gold-laced embellished leather helm (perfect, tight)
<worn on legs> a green and brown studded leg barding (perfect)
<worn on feet> black horseshoes (perfect)
<worn on hands> black gauntlets with nine silver stars around the cuffs (perfect, tight)
<worn on arms> black vambraces with star-shaped fan plates (perfect, tight)
<worn on body> orcish spiked plate barding (perfect)

<worn on body> platemail barding (perfect)
<worn as saddle> a saddle blanket (perfect)
<worn as saddle> a leather saddle (perfect)
<worn on legs> fringed leather skirt barding (perfect)

So the trouble that you see is a lack of appropriately sized armor in a real variety?

When you say barding, that applied to NPC sold mount supplies, like "a leather saddle", as well as PC crafted "barding"? Would hate to craft/sell something under the wrong assumption.

Nysan wrote:When you say barding, that applied to NPC sold mount supplies, like "a leather saddle", as well as PC crafted "barding"? Would hate to craft/sell something under the wrong assumption.

I don't believe there is currently support for PC-crafted barding. It used to be an option, but went away with the CONSTRUCT recode and I don't think it has been brought back in.

All the equipment I tested consisted of coded game items. If it fits a horse, it will fit the lower parts of a centaur or wemic, for those that have one from when they were available via character creation. More explicitly, the quotes in Harroghty's post, above, are from the EQUIP listings of a wemic. Centaurs have the same set of wear locations. They can wear saddles.

Harroghty wrote:Raona did some research on this and it appears that every location is okay for wemics and centaurs (you can wear barding for the waist, but it shows as "body"). (You must just type "wear barding" or whatever the item's keyword is, right now you cannot do "wear waist" or "wear body" it seems.) Below are some example kits. Raona used smaller humanoid armor in order to distinguish it (if it is tight then it is humanoid, if it is not then it is for a quadruped).

<worn on torso> a gladiator's breastplate (bad, tight)
<worn on head> a gold-laced embellished leather helm (perfect, tight)
<worn on legs> a green and brown studded leg barding (perfect)
<worn on feet> black horseshoes (perfect)
<worn on hands> black gauntlets with nine silver stars around the cuffs (perfect, tight)
<worn on arms> black vambraces with star-shaped fan plates (perfect, tight)
<worn on body> orcish spiked plate barding (perfect)

<worn on body> platemail barding (perfect)
<worn as saddle> a saddle blanket (perfect)
<worn as saddle> a leather saddle (perfect)
<worn on legs> fringed leather skirt barding (perfect)

So the trouble that you see is a lack of appropriately sized armor in a real variety?

So I have to try to find barding that the wear slot says specifically for waist? I'll try looking for that, but I don't recall ever seeing it.

As to your question: Yes sir; It is possible there are some places I don't know about and I might have overlooked some of the "top end" for lower tiers (for instance, "studded leather" is top end for rogues), but I everywhere I've looked I haven't found any full plate that I've specifically been looking for.

Selveem wrote:So I have to try to find barding that the wear slot says specifically for waist? I'll try looking for that, but I don't recall ever seeing it.

Sorry, I can see how that was unclear. The answer here is no: The "waist" location on a wemic or centaur is the 'body' in the equipment lists above, and any "normal" barding that fits over a horse's body will protect the "waist" of a wemic or centaur. (On examine, it might echo waist or body, either will do the same thing on a wemic or centaur PC.)* That should offer a lot of options, but may not encompass every possible armour type.

*Examine might give:

It can be picked up, worn about the waist.
It is worn as armour.
It is large in size and would fit a quadruped.

or

It can be picked up, worn on the body.
It is worn as armour.
It is large in size and would fit a quadruped.

but both will show up in the waist location on SCORE. The Body location on SCORE is covered by humanoid body armour, and shows up as worn on the "torso" on EQUIP.

Hope that resolves any lingering confusion!

Is this a special type of armor (I can't see from your examine; I think the character you're using doesn't have high enough Int [see below])? Or, does it specifically have to state it's for a quadruped?

Szrenzil's currently wearing a harness:

<worn on torso> a plate harness of unpolished metal (perfect, tight)

When I examine it:

It is in perfect condition.
It is masterwork full plate and is heavy armour.
It is almost too small for you to wear.
It can be picked up, worn on the body.
It is worn as armour.
It is medium in size and would fit a humanoid.

I can't remember where I got it, but I think it was an RMI reward. The above is not giving me an AC bonus to waist in score.

Raona wrote:

Nysan wrote:When you say barding, that applied to NPC sold mount supplies, like "a leather saddle", as well as PC crafted "barding"? Would hate to craft/sell something under the wrong assumption.

I don't believe there is currently support for PC-crafted barding. It used to be an option, but went away with the CONSTRUCT recode and I don't think it has been brought back in.

All the equipment I tested consisted of coded game items. If it fits a horse, it will fit the lower parts of a centaur or wemic, for those that have one from when they were available via character creation. More explicitly, the quotes in Harroghty's post, above, are from the EQUIP listings of a wemic. Centaurs have the same set of wear locations. They can wear saddles.

Ahh, you are correct. PC barding did not survive the recoding. I haven't made any since the great change and made an assumption based on the helpfiles still listing barding as an option.

Selveem: That is a harness as in a suit of armor, not a harness like an animal would wear (it is a quest item that I updated a while ago, not from the loot table). That piece of armor is for the body location on a humanoid and therefore fits on the torso location for a quadruped PC, not the waist. You could wear an item that was intended for the body location of a quadruped (barding) on your waist location, but not that item. Does that clear it up?

Selveem wrote:Is this a special type of armor (I can't see from your examine; I think the character you're using doesn't have high enough Int [see below])? Or, does it specifically have to state it's for a quadruped?

Szrenzil's currently wearing a harness:

It is almost too small for you to wear.
It can be picked up, worn on the body.
It is worn as armour.
It is medium in size and would fit a humanoid.

The above is not giving me an AC bonus to waist in score.

This should be wearing on your "Torso" location, and impacting your "Body" AC. That's your humanoid torso. To protect your waist, you need horse barding, designed and sized for a quadruped. Choices there are more limited, but certainly extant.

(Edit: Basically...what Harroghty just said!)

Ah. Thank you both for explaining.

Using this information, I was able to find half plate for my waist. I still have yet to find any full plate, but I'm still looking.

Any other players of monstrous humanoids been able to find the different types of armor they're looking for (please not requests for specific colors/styles you're looking for)? I could use the help.

Selveem wrote:Any other players of monstrous humanoids been able to find the different types of armor they're looking for (please not requests for specific colors/styles you're looking for)? I could use the help.

I have been unable to find appropriate armor for the legs without resorting to horse barding. Also, while centaurs have horse shoes for the feet, I do not think wemics have something appropriate for their clawed paws.

I know skilled crafters are limited, at best, but would returning barding to the armorsmith trade help with equipment for our four-legged characters?

For the life of me, I can't remember the official name of the metal sleeve like things that slide over the feet/paws of armored animals, connects just below leg barding. Anyone have any idea what they are called? A generic coverall, like that, might be better than trying to make specific items per race, like horse shoes here or claw-covers there. Easier to rename a generic item than making four or five different items.

Nysan wrote:I know skilled crafters are limited, at best, but would returning barding to the armorsmith trade help with equipment for our four-legged characters?

For the life of me, I can't remember the official name of the metal sleeve like things that slide over the feet/paws of armored animals, connects just below leg barding. Anyone have any idea what they are called? A generic coverall, like that, might be better than trying to make specific items per race, like horse shoes here or claw-covers there. Easier to rename a generic item than making four or five different items.

Different forms of splints would be easy. Especially to protect the calves.

Frachiir wrote: Also, while centaurs have horse shoes for the feet, I do not think wemics have something appropriate for their clawed paws.

Claw sheaths exist for mounts in game, its very specific though and may take them being added to other areas.

Noticed that the leather harnesses sold in various stables no longer fit horses or tauric races. Unsure if that's intentional or not...

Also, armor should not be readily available to wemics, if at all. They are not known for using armor, and if they do it's typically light-medium leather worn on their upper-body. They also have pads on their hands, forepaws, and hindpaws, which all have retractable claws, with the exception of their hindpaws. Wemic "barding" shouldn't exist, anywhere.

No, the generic harness sold in stables should be body type 1 (QUADRUPED), and I was certain that it was already. In any case, it is now. Thanks for pointing that one out. If you see others that you believe should be changed then please cite them specifically here (short description of the item, e.g. a leather harness).