Selling crafted mithril items

[Azgar]

So, in the past I found out the hard way that selling mithril ore is severely frowned upon. I had no way to know that due to it not being annotated anywhere I have ever seen, nor did anyone ever tell me such in game.

So, does selling mithril items, such as crafted weapons or armor fall into the same category or is this ok?

Or is mithril intended to be limited to the dwarven community exclusively?

I understand that dwarves generally like to hold onto it for themselves, but would really like some clarification on this.

If this needs to be learned in game, I apologize for asking here, but I havnt found anyone that could enlighten me if that is the case. Even an old faith manager of Moradin couldn't tell me last time I asked a year or so ago.

Thanks!

[Terageld]

Whoa, whoa... This is news for me. It doesn't really make sense that a dwarf would hoard his mithril if he's the kind of guy that's after money. Every dwarven smith knows that he could make a fortune and a half selling mithril armor and weapons to the adventurer community.

[Azgar]

I was damned/cursed/smited by Moradin last time I sold mithril ore. Which is why I ask.

[Larethiel]

A racial god likes to keep racial things for the racial community. Dwarven made Mithril items would be a gift for most trusted people of other races that might have done some great service for the dwarven community, same as elven steel isn't available to all.

It doesn't really make sense that a dwarf would hoard his mithril if he's the kind of guy that's after money.

The dwarf would not hoard it but make it accessible to other dwarves and faithful of Moradin.

[Althasizor]

Things like this in our canonical sources -aren't- that tightly guarded. There's a healthy supply of mithril and adamantine even in certain orc communities, mostly in the mountains, let alone a bustling metropolis like Waterdeep. Even if dwarves were the only ones who could make mithril, realistically they'd have to trade it as a commodity to neighbouring nations in exchange for things they can't easily get. (Also, I was under the impression that other races of a certain skill, -could- mine mithril in FK?)

Anyway, I've been involved in mithril trades on my human characters before, either with dwarves or other humans, without any consequences. It seems like one of those awkward old things we've let go of by now, unless one of our knowledgeable staff members could correct me!

[Hrosskell]

I always intended to approach trades for mithril custom pieces with equivalent value in mithril or magic gear obtained elsewhere, in addition to a hefty sum. The idea was "well, I already HAVE mithril, so I'm either a blasphemer or worthy of it." That being said, the idea was predicated on the assumption that mithril items could be traded.

[Azgar]

I would love a member of the staff to chime in at some point to give us the "official" take on it.

I was punished ICly about a year or so ago I guess for selling mithril, havn't really played my dwarf much since then until recently. So it wasn't that long ago in grand the scheme of things. Nothing was explained to me when it happened other than that it was for selling mithril ore. And at that point I kinda just said to heck with it, its not even worth my time to mine if I cant even sell the fruits of my labor.

[Dranso]

Selling or trading mithril reluctantly in moderation would be acceptable in my view. Probably not best to sell to elves or evils. Gnomes would more than likely be the largest group that would buy or trade mithril off of dwarves and have it be acceptable with the Dwarven deities (in moderation). Though not as important as gold, mithril is a pretty important part of gnomish society too. These are just some ideas that I have acquired over the years, however.

[Gwain]

I think it's an issue of regulation. If you feel it was a problem in the past and the current climate could support it better now than then, I would simply cover all bases and apply to see or explain how and why your char wants to sell or trade it. I'm with Althasizor on the explanation of why it has a stigma attached to it being from ancient ic and ooc issues but I also agree with Aramil on it being a cultural stigma. I'd apply or wait for a ruling.

[Tempus]

I am not aware of anything in canon about dwarves refusing to trade mithril to nondwarven communities at large. That being said, there are numerous instances where dwarves to this day refuse to trade with certain groups; "a dwarf never forgets his grudges" says the Dwarves Deep (TSR 9300) supplement when referring to one such embargo.

So, to be perfectly clear:

Yes, dwarves can and should trade with nondwarves in some circumstances.

Dwaves should under no circumstances deal with noror (racial enemies) such as orcs, halforcs, goblins, trolls, giants, etc. or faith enemies

I see many dwarves (and PCs of other races) who are very modern in releasing racial emnities, hatreds, and distrusts; that is generally wrong. This is not the modern earth, that kind of open mindedness is contrary to the setting in most cases. So be aware that there absolutely will be IC trouble if your dwarf begins to peddle his wares to the wrong people.

[Azgar]

Thanks Tempus! I knew about the racial enemy part. But glad to get clarification overall.

[Selveem]

I am not aware of anything in canon about dwarves refusing to trade mithril to nondwarven communities at large. That being said, there are numerous instances where dwarves to this day refuse to trade with certain groups; "a dwarf never forgets his grudges" says the Dwarves Deep (TSR 9300) supplement when referring to one such embargo.

So, to be perfectly clear:

Yes, dwarves can and should trade with nondwarves in some circumstances.

Dwaves should under no circumstances deal with noror (racial enemies) such as orcs, halforcs, goblins, trolls, giants, etc. or faith enemies

I see many dwarves (and PCs of other races) who are very modern in releasing racial emnities, hatreds, and distrusts; that is generally wrong. This is not the modern earth, that kind of open mindedness is contrary to the setting in most cases. So be aware that there absolutely will be IC trouble if your dwarf begins to peddle his wares to the wrong people.

I just noticed this thread. In the past I know it was a huge no-no to trade/sell mithral (I still don't know why we call it "mithril" in FK) acquired from vendors in Mithral Halls. That actually got me kicked out of the halls. Maybe that's what OP is thinking about? Mithral isn't sold in MH anymore, though, but the stigma may remain. Thanks for clearing this one up.

[Thurgan]

This has indeed been cleared up. I was not referring to vendor sold mithril items. As far as the spelling, that's just a cultural dialect thing, kinda like the potato tomato thing.

1) Mithril can be sold without recourse from the gods etc
2) Mithril flowed freely for a while there, but due to greed of other races it has since withered away
3) Future sales /trade of mithril will likely be fewer and farer between.
4) should not be sold to racial enemies under any circumstances

[Selveem]

That's why I said "thanks for clearing that one up"