Paladins of other Order?

[mathuin]

I was wondering if it's possible, via special roleplay application or other means, to become a Paladin of a Deity/Order not currently formally in FK?

In my characters case specifically my hope was to eventually have him become a Field Guardian of Chauntea, but was told I should probably ask about it and find out before I got to deep into the role play about it.

Thanks.

[Alitar]

While it is not my really place, I would like to offer my opinion that those Deities whom sponsour paladins but do not presently have a school available to their squires be allowed to esquire under current Paladins and use the Halls of Justice where fit until a new school can be erected. Notably, Moradin (doesn't use knighthood however 'apprentice' and 'master' training remains, to me, a must) and Selune come to mind. I know little of Chauntean Paladins but I cannot think of a reason not to include them temporarily within the Halls if they are canon.

The school's builder however never opened it, even as the requirements for Paladins became more lax. I wholly respect that builder's past guidance of the class and am certain that this is intentional on his part. That said, I would be curious to hear his input on the topic.

[Yemin]

Is it also currently possible to play apaladin that serves all the goodly gods? Most people that i've seen play the class in the past outside of FK don't always pick a deity or his order to serve specifically

[mathuin]

While it is not my really place, I would like to offer my opinion that those Deities whom sponsour paladins but do not presently have a school available to their squires be allowed to esquire under current Paladins and use the Halls of Justice where fit until a new school can be erected. Notably, Moradin (doesn't use knighthood however 'apprentice' and 'master' training remains, to me, a must) and Selune come to mind. I know little of Chauntean Paladins but I cannot think of a reason not to include them temporarily within the Halls if they are canon.

The school's builder however never opened it, even as the requirements for Paladins became more lax. I wholly respect that builder's past guidance of the class and am certain that this is intentional on his part. That said, I would be curious to hear his input on the topic.

They are canonical, though admittedly not extensively developed. They are described briefly in the 3.5 Campaign Setting and named in the Faiths & Pantheons web supplement.

[Alitar]

Is it also currently possible to play apaladin that serves all the goodly gods? Most people that i've seen play the class in the past outside of FK don't always pick a deity or his order to serve specifically

It is not, and because of how the class has developed within FK I'm afraid I would oppose this as an option. I truly love and cherish what the Paladin class is to our game, especially the house flavours- foremost being that Paladin is a paragon of their God's ideals and sworn wholly to one.

[Larethiel]

I wholeheartedly agree with Alitar. While generally serving the greater good and the people of the realms (etc.etc.), the paladin first of all is a holy warrior of their chosen patron deity, representing the highest ideals of their faith.

For any other order or faith, an application will not hurt and usually yield an answer be is a positive one or not.

[Yemin]

Fair doos. Paladins and knights in general aren't my thing so it seemed like a largely unexplored hole.
At the mention of being a paragon of a specific faith though, I'm curious if a paladin has to directly match their deity's alignment and if there's been any strife between paladins in the past?


I am also curious if black guards / antipals could be apped for, or will be able to be apped for as I understand it. You'd only need to flip over a couple of paladin abilities.
constant Detect good to evil
Lay on hands to touch of I deal you damage. Or heck... some evil deities offer healing to prolong suffering.and any good align checks to become evil align checks respectively.

and lastly, I came across this when I was googling around paladins and such and as far as the help files go this is probably outdated maybe.
http://www.forgottenkingdoms.org/help.p ... earch=true

[Larethiel]

Not meaning to be a killjoy here but evil paladins aka Blackguards have always been a non-existent option. In fact, the policy for dealing with paladins that went evil/fell from the graces/etc. is a strict and definite one.

Considering the low presence of paladins and even lower presence of squires on FK and the rp connected with that, the introduction of such a contradictory class seems to lack foundation.

I'm curious if a paladin has to directly match their deity's alignment

They do not have to exactly match the deity's alignment but the deity has to support/sponsor paladins. Kelemvor is lawful neutral whereas his paladins are lawful good, same with Helm. Corellon is chaotic good but supports lawful good paladins (here, subrace can be a thing, because many sunelves tend to bend to the lawful side of things, for example). Lathander is neutral good and also supports paladins, same with Mystra.

if there's been any strife between paladins in the past?

Since all paladins share a few common interests, strife as in open and nasty conflicts is usually not an occuring thing. However, paladins are individuals with their own opinions and depending on their deities, background, race and duties disagreements can certainly occur. The different aspects of many paladins is among the many things that makes them an interesting and multifaceted class to play.

[Alitar]

That helpfile is accurate.

Blackguards/anti-paladins are a VERY firm no. (I tried.)

Paladin alignments do not need to match their deity's. Paladins must be lawful good, but may serve chaotic gods such as Corellon or Selune (bad example since she doesn't currently sponsour paladins at FK). As well, some serve gods who are not entirely good in nature.

[Mele]

We are not currently offering anything but the paladin orders coded in game. With Harroghty departing those of us left are learning the process.

Perhaps in (a long) time we will change this, but as of now you may only take the coded in game options.


*Edit: I would note, that if we were to open it to others it would likely be uncoded deities with large paladin followings, not faiths that have 1 or 2 paladins ever per cannon.

[Terageld]

Though Blackguards and anti-pallys are not allowed, I don't understand why paladins can't be evil. A pally is essentially a fighter that is wholly devoted to a chosen god, right? Therefore, if an evil fighter really likes… say… Loviatar, he should have the right to enter the church, do his vigorous pally routine, and emerge as a paladin.
It would be so cool if paladins were of all alignments. I'd really like to see the righteous Sir Aramil duke it out with a super satanic crusader of Cyric. In a steel cage. With spikes. That's also on fire. With devils and celestials clashing in the background.

[Aldren]

It would be so cool if paladins were of all alignments. I'd really like to see the righteous Sir Aramil duke it out with a super satanic crusader of Cyric. In a steel cage. With spikes. That's also on fire. With devils and celestials clashing in the background.

Super satanic crusaders of Cyric aren't paladins. They aren't knights. You've clearly never seen Sir Aramil duke it out with the super satanic crusaders of Cyric.

But really though, paladins and knights (AS SET UP BY FK) are not evil. There is no reason you cannot have a chivalric (or anti-chivalric) evil fighter of XXXXX who still upholds his own (anti)tenets. There have been many in the past and present and the differences are subtle and based in RP, not code.

But seriously, hasn't anyone met Nerian?

[Talos]

Every evil fighter secretly thinks he is an anti-paladin in his deep shrivelled black heart. It comes down to how you role play, not mechanics. You may play a chivalrous crusader, but not the class of blackguard.

[Terageld]

Doesn't that settle it then? Any evil fighter can be a Blackguard by role-play.

[Mele]

No.

[Talos]

In that you can roleplay the attitudes of a dark night but cannot have the mechanics, also the direct title itself being a class is ineligible. No blackguard or anti-paladin - lawful evil cavalryman, sure.

[Yemin]

Its an interesting direction FK has gone with the class as seen in this thread then.
Only thing I'd personally be interested to see is a paladin having to match his deity's alignment and goals more since their supposed to be the paragons of their faith as said above.

I personally dislike getting into alignment debates so I'lla void giving moral dilemmas since those usually always start flames but yeah.

Would having LN, CG, and NG paladins be something that you'd consider, Mele/Talos/the rest of the someones.

Handled properly I'd expect squiring a soon to be LN knight of the eternal order if you were a LG hammer of justice would only enrich rp the same way an LE wizard would politely try and corrupt a CN apprentice during their term of apprenticeship. Though probably not quite incideously.

[Larethiel]

Only thing I'd personally be interested to see is a paladin having to match his deity's alignment and goals more since their supposed to be the paragons of their faith as said above.

This actually makes me wonder if you have had much interaction with any of the paladins currently active on FK more than the passing exchanging of greetings, no offense meant. I am pretty certain that they match their deities as much as any PC can do and I will wager that few PCs/players match the goals of their deities more than the paladin. Becoming a paladin is not a leisure stroll through the park, it is a long-term commitment and the standards paladins and prospective paladins as well as pages and squires are held to are by far no low ones. The process itself is not designed to yield anything but a suitable holy warrior and embodiment of their god and the divines' ideals.

I can only invite you to try out a page to get an impression of the nature of the paladins' roleplay which already is of a very rich nature, it can be noted that especially the roleplay between a paladin mentor and a page/squire is often one that occurs beyond the spotlight of public attention. Patience and a certain level of dedication is required but it is worth it. If knights and paladins are not your thing/venue of roleplay, in general, then why judge what they should be instead of paragons of their faith with everything that entails and includes.

Thanks.
Cheers.

[Gwain]

Its an interesting direction FK has gone with the class as seen in this thread then.
Only thing I'd personally be interested to see is a paladin having to match his deity's alignment and goals more since their supposed to be the paragons of their faith as said above.

I personally dislike getting into alignment debates so I'lla void giving moral dilemmas since those usually always start flames but yeah.

Would having LN, CG, and NG paladins be something that you'd consider, Mele/Talos/the rest of the someones.

Handled properly I'd expect squiring a soon to be LN knight of the eternal order if you were a LG hammer of justice would only enrich rp the same way an LE wizard would politely try and corrupt a CN apprentice during their term of apprenticeship. Though probably not quite incideously.

Paladins in game are modelled more closely after second edition paladins. They're paragons of virtue and justice no matter what deity they serve. There is an ooc and ic reason for this, I will try to explain it. When the first paladins were introduced in the mud back in 1999 and 2000, they were easy to make and did not have a coded path through squirehood etc. What happened with this is that almost everyone of them did not follow proper paladin rp and some of them attempted to make a slide to the darkside. This did not go over well and when the dust settled only a few true paladin chars remained. There were a few new inductions, but the class was heavily under represented for the next few years. Fast forward to the present and paladin rules have been relaxed a great deal, though the creation process is still intensive, it has a coded structure to follow. Structure breeds ease of use in my experience, we get the same results more often than not which is good.

So it brings me to my point. I don't care if paladins in the current d&d are various alignments or even evil, I don't want to see one until there are either a sizeable number of paladins existing already (Over 15) or we have a large playerbase to support them. Fk has to work with what it has, and learn from what it experienced previously before it can change an entirely coded element.

[Mele]

We are not making any changes to paladins or the paladin system.