Polymorph Other

Isolrem · Post by **Isolrem** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:35 am

If you can turn yourself into dragons and stuff, why not the enemy to squirrels and rabiits

Glim · Post by **Glim** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:44 am

Hehe, fun little spell in D&D. I dont think it should be hostile, mainly cause, who would you attack after being turned into a squirrel? *grin*

Would be funny on traps too, you walk into a wizard's tower...my my...this place got bigger all of a sudden...

Gidan · Post by **Gidan** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:51 am

I think it would be cool be able to turn friend into cool stuff like Dragons and such, but if super weak mage rolls up to a very powerful fighter like ( sorry about the direct name) Tretch and makes him a squirrell and pk's him it would be totally unfair. It would make anybody totally weak and defenseless against even a level 10.

Glim · Post by **Glim** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:05 am

That is what resistances are for, Gidan.

A low level wizard should not have such a powerful spell in the first place, but if said wizard gets of high enough level to be able to use such a spell, then I say more power to him.

Tandria · Post by **Tandria** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:46 am

I REALLY like the sounds of this.

Only transmuters would get it, I would think, and POSSIBLY mages. It would have to be a higher level spell . . . probably higher level than polymorph. Like polymorph, what the PC could turn the victim into would depend on the level of knowledge with the spell, and I would have to say that there would have to be a quest for such a powerful spell, and then that it couldn't be trained very high. Sooo, you'd start off turning folks into little mice, then work up to dogs, etc.

I really like the idea a lot (I mean, turning people into other creatures is one of the most classic witch and wizard abilities ever!), but I can see it as highly subject to abuse.

"She turned me into a newt!"
"A newt?"
" . . . I got better."
(Sorry, couldn't resist.

)

Hviti · Post by **Hviti** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:44 pm

I gotta disagree with only transmuters getting this. They already have disintegrate. Maybe some of the offensively weaker classes, like enchanters, could get it.

Edit: Even if it is normally a transmuter field spell, IMO it would be better for game balance.

Kregor · Post by **Kregor** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:18 pm

But that's the way the schools work in tabletop pretty much too... some schools wizards seem offensively "weaker" than others.

But as far as schools go, any of them that are not opposed to alteration school spells should have access to it, not just transmuters. So, in that case, enchanters should be able to learn it too.

Hviti · Post by **Hviti** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:44 pm

Abjuration vs Alteration/Illusion
Conjuration vs Divination/Invokation
Divination vs Conjuration
Enchantment vs Invocation/Necromancy
Illusion vs Necromancy/Invocation/Abjuration
Invocation vs Enchantment/Conjuration
Necromancy vs Illusion/Enchantment
Alteration vs Abjuration/Necromancy

So Abjuration, Illusion, and Necromancy would be the only ones not to get it?

Kregor · Post by **Kregor** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:54 pm

Hviti wrote:Abjuration vs Alteration/Illusion
Conjuration vs Divination/Invokation
Divination vs Conjuration
Enchantment vs Invocation/Necromancy
Illusion vs Necromancy/Invocation/Abjuration
Invocation vs Enchantment/Conjuration
Necromancy vs Illusion/Enchantment
Alteration vs Abjuration/Necromancy

So Abjuration, Illusion, and Necromancy would be the only ones not to get it?

The way the table works is that only the schools with alteration as an opposing school would not have access to a spell of the alteration school.

So based on that, the onlly school without access to alteration spells, like polymorph, et al, should be Abjurers.

Hviti · Post by **Hviti** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:59 pm

But why not Necros?

There is a:

Alteration vs Abjuration/Necromancy

Glim · Post by **Glim** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:23 pm

Hviti wrote:Abjuration vs Alteration/Illusion
Conjuration vs Divination/Invokation
Divination vs Conjuration
Enchantment vs Invocation/Necromancy
Illusion vs Necromancy/Invocation/Abjuration
Invocation vs Enchantment/Conjuration
Necromancy vs Illusion/Enchantment
Alteration vs Abjuration/Necromancy

So Abjuration, Illusion, and Necromancy would be the only ones not to get it?

Because, alteration has necromancy as an opposed school, but necromancy doesnt have alteration as one. The schools dont always work visa versa.

Hviti · Post by **Hviti** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:40 am

Ah...now I understand why you said Illusion has it hard. But this list isn't used by FK all they way...there are more crossovers and different opposites, I think.

Telk · Post by **Telk** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:53 pm

One other area of abuse I could see in this is a wizard goes up to his already strong warrior friend, turns him into a powerful form and wields two huge swords then is extremely powerful for the spells duration.

Jadom · Post by **Jadom** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:09 pm

How would that be abuse?

Isolrem · Post by **Isolrem** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:09 pm

I think it's to be an offensive-only spell with the allowed forms being along the lines of rabbits, squirrels and chipmunks.

Tandria · Post by **Tandria** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:21 pm

Even if it were possible, I'm not exactly sure how that would be considered abuse. As it stands now, most polymorphable creatures cannot hold anything or get anything out of packs. I believe polymorph scrolls (not sure if they are scribable, but I believe so) can do the same thing, so I don't think it would really be abuse so long as it was RPed out.

As for the illusionists, etc., getting this spell, I will say that I don't agree with that based on the fact that currently, only transmuters are capable of casting polymorph. I think that this should stay consistent if "polymorph other" were to be implemented or considered, otherwise that illusionists etc. should also get polymorph as well as polymorph other.

Levine · Post by **Levine** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:51 am

I agree with Tandria.. If polymorph is a form of transmutation, I don't think Illusionists should get it because they specialise only in creating illusions.

Hope it made sense.. *grins*

-gissy

Glim · Post by **Glim** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:31 pm

Hmm, as much as I would LOVE for illusionists to get it.

They probably shouldnt. High level transmuter spells should only be learnable by transmuters.

Eamane · Post by **Eamane** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:07 am

I would say Transmuters only, since their class is built on the fact that they can change was is already there. It is unfair to the other wizard classes, but that is suppose to be a stronger class of wizard. If you think about it, not every wizard should be perfect, strong in all aspects of the weave, and yada yada... the other classes allow for that change, as a wizard you can pick what you feel your strength is and go with it. If you want the special spells, make a new character. Decisions decisions... my precious....

Isolrem · Post by **Isolrem** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:29 am

Depends on how you word it.
It could be conjuration because you are summoning an animal and exchanging spirits with it.
It could be illusion - but a very real one because of the way magic works
It could be necromancy - altering life completely does not come far away from manipulation of life

etc.
I mean if you really want balance you can attain it (of course it can't be called polymorph other anymore, but more Soul Prison, Greater Transfiguration, Flesh Morph, or whatever, respectively)