Gruumsh Supplicated Item and Symbol

[Kaaurk]

I was wondering if it would be possible to change the Blackened hands to something else, currently the Gruumsh Symbol of Faith and the Blackened hands give the same bonus. In the past when bonus's stacked it would have been ok but now it is kind of useless.

[Xryon]

Also along these lines (unless it's been changed) the blackened hands offer no armor, and cannot be worn with anything, making it more harmful than helpful.

[Harroghty]

Correct. Blackened hands cannot be worn with any other armor.

Incorrect. Blackened hands and the Gruumsh symbol confer the same bonus.

[Kaaurk]

Weird I was always told they did.

[Maybel]

Weird I was always told they did.

I believe holy symbols USE to give bonus' but with the new faith system they stopped that (i believe)

[Kaaurk]

My symbol still gives me a bonus

[Nysan]

Maybe some older symbols retained some old code and were not updated? I remember Nysan's symbol stayed stuck on when symbols were updated to be removable, had to be forced off by an imm. *shrug*

[Brar]

Nobody said they do not give bonuses, Harroghty said that they do not give the same bonus.

Except builders admin and imms, you can never be sure with any item about its complete effects