Thief bonus feats level distribution seems off

Zorinar · Post by **Zorinar** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:16 am

The help files state that thieves get 4 bonus feats. So far, at level 46, I have only received 2 of them. It seems that packing in the last 2 between levels 47-50 is a bit crunched. I would think that spreading them out more evenly would be better.

Or, am I missing feats that I should have already gained and should this be in the bug forum?

teepo · Post by **teepo** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:10 am

I *could* be wrong, but I have noticed when you first create a character you get a feat at the start. I'm wondering if that's one?

Nylo · Post by **Nylo** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:40 pm

The initial feat when you create a character is not a bonus feat. Thief bonus feats are given at levels 25, 33, 40, and 48, if I remember correctly. This sounds like it may be a bug.

Rhangalas · Post by **Rhangalas** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:33 pm

Nylo wrote:The initial feat when you create a character is not a bonus feat. Thief bonus feats are given at levels 25, 33, 40, and 48, if I remember correctly. This sounds like it may be a bug.

If this is the same for wizards, then they are bugged as well. I'm sitting at 46 and have only gotten 2 bonus feats.

teepo · Post by **teepo** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:48 pm

Ty for the clarification, I honest left not long after the feats were implemented so I don't know much about them.

Nylo · Post by **Nylo** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:12 am

I can't speak for thieves, but Rhangalas, in your case it would be because your wizard gained the levels that would grant bonus feats, before the bonus feats were implemented. They were just added recently for guilded wizards, and thus many older wizards either didn't get them, or only got a few.

Rhangalas · Post by **Rhangalas** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:32 pm

Nylo wrote:I can't speak for thieves, but Rhangalas, in your case it would be because your wizard gained the levels that would grant bonus feats, before the bonus feats were implemented. They were just added recently for guilded wizards, and thus many older wizards either didn't get them, or only got a few.

I am almost certain I started this character after the bonus feats were implemented. I was still playing Necalli at the time the update was introduced. I'm not entirely sure what level I left him at when I took a hiatus, but I remember it was definitely below level 25. If they are retroactive based on level, he would still have earned 3 so far.

Nysan · Post by **Nysan** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:51 pm

If it was a post-feat character, I say you are bugged. But, if you were leveling during the feat transition... hard to say. There was so much going on back then and a lot of characters became collateral damage in the mayhem. Some old characters never got bonus feats properly, and many never will.

Nylo · Post by **Nylo** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:24 am

Wizard feats are given at 12, 25, 37, and 50. So if you left him below 25, but above 12, then that may account for it. If the character was below 12, then it may be the same bug. Here's the discussion on implementing wizard feats, if you know when your character was created and can compare dates - viewtopic.php?f=148&t=15505&hilit=Wizard+bonus+feats

Rhangalas · Post by **Rhangalas** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:13 pm

I created this forum account at the same time I created the PC, Joined: Tue Apr 26, 2011.

Which is about a year before that linked thread, so I guess it happened to this character as well. The only thing I can think of is that I did not guild before level 12, so I did not get the feat for that level.

Rhangalas · Post by **Rhangalas** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:05 pm

It is definitely a bug... I did not get a bonus feat for level 48 either and this was today.

Raona · Post by **Raona** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:08 pm

Nylo wrote:The initial feat when you create a character is not a bonus feat. Thief bonus feats are given at levels 25, 33, 40, and 48, if I remember correctly. This sounds like it may be a bug.

With a test thief I found bonus feats added at levels 25, 32, 40, and 47. Losing levels generally took them away again, save the first one. My guess is there is a problem when a PC loses a level and then gains it back, but that is hard to test, both with and without the thief having "spent" the bonus feat.

It looks like the code works in the simple case - the trick is going to be figuring out how to break it. I'm not sure I have the tools to do so. If other (new!) thieves can describe whether their experience matches Zorinar's, that would be helpful.

Atraos · Post by **Atraos** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:55 am

Hi...

I have a similar issue, at least I think I may have.

A PC of mine is lev 30, has 5 feats used and 2 spares.

I may have the correct number of feats etc and may have had a bonus feat and spent it unwittingly I am not sure.

I think something should be put in place to let someone know if they are spending a Bonus feat.

It could be I am missing one though I do not know.

Thanks

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