High <Insert Class Name> Non-Existent?

Lerytha · Post by **Lerytha** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:45 pm

I would add this to the discussion on changes, whose link I can't remember, but I'm not sure if it would properly fit. If it would, then I apologise for starting a new thread.

Basically, I am wondering: are there still guild heroes? Can a wizard technically still becomes High Invoker, or such like? Is this still governed by the various events? If not, are there any rules about styling yourself "High Whastistmanoogara of blahblah"?

I really loved the idea of heroes and positions, and found them something to work for IC. I know there was an issue with favouritism (which I never had - it's a lot of work being a High Whatevva), but now I fear it's gone the other way, and that it's impossible to get there.

But I might be wrong, which is why I have posed this question to the forums!

~Ol

Japcil · Post by **Japcil** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:27 pm

Well to start a hero is technically level 51, which can only be set by an imm. Second you really shouldnt rp being anything out of norm without authorization by the game administration. Applications should be sent to applications@forgottenkingdoms.com . There are still guild heroes last i checked. By typing 'help current heroes' you should see a list of current heroes of guilds.

Lerytha · Post by **Lerytha** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:01 pm

There are no longer level 51 characters. I know that. The extra level was removed for favouritism.

There are no longer any white titles in the who list, except for faith managers.

The "help current heroes" helpfile is out of date, so I am not sure if it any longer has much information that helps us.

I was actually hoping someone knew whether all the above means there are no longer heroes? I spoke to someone today who I thought was a High So-and-so, but the character wasn't anymore. And there hasn't been an event yet to choose a new one for that particular guild.

Gregal · Post by **Gregal** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:38 pm

I personally think we should have High Inovker, High Enchantress, High Mage, High Bard, all that. Guild heroes are what make the game its organized way. DnD is all about gaining that prestige and being able to be known for your works and your ability to achieve more than your peers. It goes back to that competition thing. But I don't think it should show favortisim, there are ways around it, ways to rp around such without players knowing who is who.

Hviti · Post by **Hviti** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:54 pm

I thought the favoritism thing was about the white titles standing out on the who list, but since many were added with the introduction of faith managers, if there were any issue any more it would be with faith manager priests standing out rather than heroes standing out.

Dalvyn wrote: 1. There will be no more level 51 characters, thus no special/out-standing white names in the who list anymore. All characters will be capped at level 50.

2. Guild heroes will most likely still be chosen after a competition or a similar event (think fighters, rangers, wizards, ...), but the "reward" will be an IC item (a medallion of position, a tabard, ...), not a "bonus level" anymore. They can still bear any title they want ICly, but they will not automatically be given any title appearing in white in the who list.

3. The previous position of "high priest" is divided into two parts. High priests are currently both faith managers (screen would-be followers, quest those who are worthy, then give them a holy symbol) and heads of church (IC position, where they can be seen as the mortal representatives of the deity, start faith wars, set up faith policies - policies that might then be followed or not by the worshippers). The two positions will now be separate, and none of them will be distinguished by a white title or a bonus 51st level (they would still be allowed to put this title in their "normal" title on the who list though).

4. Faith managers can be any class, not only clerics. Clerics should still be favoured, but, if there are not enough followers, a follower of another class might be chosen. Large faiths might also have more than one faith manager. Obviously, faith managers should be people who know the faith well enough; they are responsible with screening candidates and making sure that they at least know the principal tenets of the faith (especially for divine followers, i.e., clerics, rangers, druids, and paladins: no more "I'll be a cleric of Lathander because they get cool skills" if you don't know what Lathander is about). Faith managers will be chosen by their deity.

To sum it up, the "technical" bonus of having an additional level has been removed. Those positions now come more with IC and OOC responsibilities, but no benefits code-wise. Comments and questions are welcome in this thread.

According to this, there weren't supposed to be any more white titles, but I guess that could have been changed.

Lerytha · Post by **Lerytha** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:05 pm

Aye. But later in that post, someone suggested that wizards/bards etc might not need guild heroes. I was looking to see if that idea has been implemented, or if it is still being discussed. I am just surprised that one of the character is no longer a High Whatsit, but that there has not been another High Whatsit named.

Using the word Whatsit to keep IC information away.

Dalvyn · Post by **Dalvyn** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:08 pm

This quotation relates to the first system we thought of. Points 1-3 are no longer valid, and only Point 4 and the comment below remain.

Then we reused the white titles when the new faith system was introduced, if I remember well. To make it easier for those who would like to get faithed to find out faith managers.

As for the favouritism issue, it's a bit like the "elves have a special connection with magic" thing: we have heard people claim that there is/was favouritism several times, but they have never supported their claims with precise examples. Were was the percieved favouritism? In the white titles? In the additional level given to level 51 characters? I honestly did not and still do not know. And neither did the other imms know exactly... that's why the whole white title system was butchered as it was.

Lerytha · Post by **Lerytha** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:16 pm

So, I understand that there isn't favouritism. I never saw it anyway. But... does the game still have leaders of guilds?

Hviti · Post by **Hviti** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:23 pm

Dalvyn wrote: Then we reused the white titles when the new faith system was introduced, if I remember well. To make it easier for those who would like to get faithed to find out faith managers.

But aren't there faith managers who don't have white titles? As far as I know, only the priest faith managers do.

I don't see anything wrong with it, just a little confused on how the current system was worked out, notwithstanding Dalvyn's post.

Edit: Now it makes sense

Dalvyn wrote:- In the new system, it is also relatively easy: if the character is a cleric (including druid) and faith manager, then use the white title. Note as a side note that it also explains why non-clerics faith managers do not have white titles: it's because the white title associated to their guild wouldn't make sense; and the white titles associated to the "priest of X" guild would not work either for non-priests.