Im not exactly sure if there is any room in FK Waterdeep to make the square bigger, nor would I like to ask the imms to build it when im sure they have much better areas being made that everyone could enjoy, and being a little selfish, I would much rather see effort going into those new and exciting areas than into the market square just so more people can stand about in a larger area when they would just stick in the center room anyways.Kirkus wrote:Personally I think we should expand the Market. If you look at maps of Waterdeep, not fk waterdeep but FR waterdeep, the Market is huge it would be the size of a couple square blocks in a town, possibly even the size of my entire college campus if arranged differently. I think we could easily leave the square as rp central, altough I do believe inns and bars and restaurants are more apporperate, if we were to actually build the market arround it so there would be rooms of stalls for merchant pc's to set up shop, hawkers roaming arround peddling their wares, and various other market type activity.
I REALLY don't like this idea, to be honest. I admit I like the idea of RPing in the Lucky Drunk more and more, but I don't think we should stop people from RPing in MS. It is a market, so people will be selling their wares. And sometimes these people are PCs. Having the guard say something like this, to me, seems unIC and would cause more spam, which is what we set out to eliminate.I still stand with the idea that a guard could every once in a while tell the milling people to move along, or redirect them to the Lucky Drunk
But that is the whole point. There is nothing wrong with RP'ing in MS. But keep in mind, exactly as the description says, it's a huge, bustling place. Just because the code doesn't allow for hundreds of NPC's with various programs making them say things, doesn't mean you can pretend the square is empty. I wouldn't even call it spam for someone walking in and out repeatedly, in the actual setting you probably wouldn't even notice them. Just because code limitations don't allow it to happen that way, doesn't mean you should just ignore the fact that if you were in fact hanging around MS, especially during daylight hours, it would be a constant rush of jostling, babbling people. Complaining about people spamming the apparently perfectly empty, dead silent Market Square seems a bit off to me.Gwain wrote:If I have to be somewhere else or I feel the need, I will go there. I mean, there is nothing wrong with staying in one place too much or too little as long as you rp accordingly.
On another note, those that rp in the market square are expected to help new players with their rp as much as their own rp's allow. And in the case of spam I try to ignore it, but it does get bothersome when a pc walks in and out continously for fifteen to twenty minutes, I just try to live with it.
Maybe a room prog then or something, so everyone once in a while an echo pops up having some street urchin or somebody earning a few coins by touting the fine food, drink and companionship of the Lucky Drunk.Having the guard say something like this, to me, seems unIC and would cause more spam, which is what we set out to eliminate.
Of course the guard wouldnt mind people trading, but how many PCs in the square are actually doing business? Most are standing there talking, yes, some are trading, but MOST arent, and I dont think a guard would like that, it is a bustling place and a crowd of people merely standing there talking would stop the flow of traffic. Thus, a reminder to move along would be fine. I have stood and talked plenty, but in really looking at it, who would stand around and hold a conversation in an area they would more than likely have to shout to be heard in?Argentia wrote:It is a market, so people will be selling their wares. And sometimes these people are PCs. Having the guard say something like this, to me, seems unIC and would cause more spam, which is what we set out to eliminate.
In my opinion, a message in the description, people would probably read right over that, and besides, if you listen to the guard and actually go to the Lucky Drunk, then it wouldnt really be spam since you wouldnt have to see it anymore. I dont mean it has to be annoying, but just every once in a while so those who are talking can be reminded that the market square isnt the place to stand around and chat.Isolrem wrote:The problem is, echoes spaced too far apart will have little effect, too often and it becomes spam.
How about part of room desc or a sign that says "No stalling at the Market Square except for those with business"
This is essentially the same idea and is just as spammy.Maybe a room prog then or something, so everyone once in a while an echo pops up having some street urchin or somebody earning a few coins by touting the fine food, drink and companionship of the Lucky Drunk
So you're saying the RP of people who join the merchants' guild, or dwarves who sell their equipment is unimportant? They are rare, yes, but still very fun and I don't think it's fair to take away their RP oppertunities...Of course the guard wouldnt mind people trading, but how many PCs in the square are actually doing business? Most are standing there talking, yes, some are trading, but MOST arent, and I dont think a guard would like that, it is a bustling place and a crowd of people merely standing there talking would stop the flow of traffic
) one of the rooms was a large market. I recall the way meeting people was RPed was that people were spread apart, maybe one or two sitting at a table, a few in the garden, others by the note board, ect., and people only interacted with other people in that general area.(For example, people in the garden would have to shout to get the attention of people at the MSGB) That gave the market a nice sense of realism, despite its 2 dimensioned, text based design.(Hey, we all prove that our imaginations make this world come alive, right? ) Ehh, that doesn't exactly pertain to anything, but it's a nice suggestion for anyone who wants to follow it. 
But it would be more IC. And again, just because the code spoils you by not making you deal with all the things you would ICly have to if you were trying to carry on a serious conversation in a crowded marketplace with children crying, parents yelling at the children to stop crying, merchants yelling at the parents to buy them this bauble to keep them from crying etc. etc., doesn't mean you should not have to deal with the inconvenience of somebody walking through the Square a few times.Argentia wrote: This is essentially the same idea and is just as spammy.
While it has been mentioned that one of the purposes of the Lucky Drunk was to try to draw RP to somewhere else in WD other than the MS, nobody has advocated abandoning MS, or forcing players to go elsewhere. What people don't advocate is demanding that other players be forced to accomodate RP in MS by not disrupting it with the heinous crime of criss-crossing the Market when the code blissfully allows you to ignore what would ICly actually be going on in the Square.Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of RPing in the Lucky Drunk. But I feel it would be better to have both the MS and the LD open for RPing. MS is large, as has been stated, so adventurers could find open area to hang around(IE by the fountain, away from traffic and merchants).
Ehh, that's exactly what some people are suggesting, getting people to stop RPing in the square. Hence the echos/guard says telling people to move along.(As in, do not RP there) At least that's how I view it.While it has been mentioned that one of the purposes of the Lucky Drunk was to try to draw RP to somewhere else in WD other than the MS, nobody has advocated abandoning MS, or forcing players to go elsewhere
